Ukraine Invasion

[Saz]

"I say this as the president of a great power."

Incredible line, might have to be my new signature.

[Kane]

To the absolute surprise of nobody:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... -sanctions

Russia is trying to turn current Ukranian politicians

[Kane]

Annnnd install some old ones:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60095459

[Eternal]

The fact of the matter is that this has been brewing for some time now. Its not just that Biden is weak, America is weak and divided as is the entire west.

Although I'm oversimplifying, from the wests point of view the cold war brought three very different groups of people together, namely the religious, the capitalists and what I would loosely call libertarians (both left & right types).

The religious despised communism because it restricted religious freedoms. The capitalists despised communism because it was against private ownership and the libertarians despised it because, amongst other things, it denied the common man the right to vote. Yes oversimplified I know but the key point is that without the cold war these three groups would have been at each others throats. The cold war gave them a common enemy.

Now everything has changed. The capitalists want to keep the relationship with China working because its all about greed and money. The religious have found a new friend in Russia, with its anti-PC and anti gay rhetoric. That just leaves the libertarians, which have nothing in common with Russia or China, holding the fort for the west.

Until we in the west can re-establish common ground amongst ourselves then we have no chance of holding back either Russia or China.

[Kane]

Which just leads us back to Russia invading Ukraine soon. All the gesticulations this weekend by the Biden admin and our European peers really supports this.

Putin has made this his red line - anything other than complete abdication by the West will be seen as noncompliance. This was the goal all along and now we are simply trying to frame what we know is coming accurately. Hell, even Alexander Vindman thinks so - hell of a lot of reactionary actions lately...

[Saz]

[Eternal]

[Kane]

[Kane]

United States, Israel, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, U.K., advising national citizens to leave Ukraine and now....Russia evacuating diplomatic staff from Ukraine or relocating elsewhere in the country.

Ominous.

[John Galt]

75 years of the Pax Americana is about to come crashing down because Europe in all that time never graduated out of their training diapers. honestly i blame Germany for much of this since they need to nuzzle putin's teat

liberal foreign policy is all well and good, so long as you always consult with the realists since at the end of the day that's who makes the rules children

it's all f**k. ukraine, mostly of course, but the entire post world order too