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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby ToddStarnes » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:44 pm

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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby Gremlin » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:39 am

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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby John Galt » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:46 am

Catalan president Carles Puigdemont :
I want to follow people’s will for Catalonia to become an independent state.

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We propose to suspend the effect of the independence declaration... in order to work towards putting into practice the result of the referendum... Today, we are making a gesture of responsibility in favour of dialogue.


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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby Kane » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:38 pm

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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby John Galt » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:40 pm

Lol

Spain is demanding concessions from the catalans to nullify their Independence pseudo proclamation or else they will take direct control of region (it has some autonomy)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... dependence

Looks like a new country is back on the menu boys
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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby The Comrade » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:04 am

does spain want them to secede? because they're doing almost everything in their power to make it happen..
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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby John Galt » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:24 am

time for fireworks, hotdogs, and hamburgers... break out the potato salad everybody it's f**k independence day!!!!

oh yeah, also bring guns. lots and lots of guns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-poised ... 37762.html
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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby Spider » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:58 am

Ok. So what now? It's not as if they can fight off Spain. They have no allies willing to help them fight off Spain. Are they planning on hunger strikes and strongly worded letters?

If Catalonia gets its independence, it won't be because of Catalans...it will be at Spain's pleasure.
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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby John Galt » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:05 am

Spider wrote:Ok. So what now? It's not as if they can fight off Spain. They have no allies willing to help them fight off Spain. Are they planning on hunger strikes and strongly worded letters?

If Catalonia gets its independence, it won't be because of Catalans...it will be at Spain's pleasure.


spain will invoke §155 of the Constitution

If a Self-governing Community does not fulfil the obligations imposed upon it by the Constitution or other laws, or acts in a way that is seriously prejudicial to the general interest of Spain, the Government, after having lodged a complaint with the President of the Self-governing Community and failed to receive satisfaction therefore, may, following approval granted by the overall majority of the Senate, take all measures necessary to compel the Community to meet said obligations, or to protect the abovementioned general interest.


so basically, goodbye Catalonian government. the only way forward for you is to do it american style. right now, it looks grim. but who knows, maybe they've been importing ARs for years and hiding them from authorities. brings a tear to my eye thinking about all that freedom

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Re: Catalonian Independence

Postby ToddStarnes » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:01 am

In the 90s I remember vaguely thinking "why doesn't anything interesting happen like I read about in history books."

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