The rise and decline of great powers

[The Dharma Bum]

I'm sorry you are offended but I don't think I said anyone thought that.

My actual statement was as follows:
"If you think we came here and there was nothing because the inhabitants were ignorant savages you couldn't be more wrong." in response to a statement to the effect that Amerinds on the eastern seaboard had some agriculture but not enough industry to be of consequence in the face of greater forces of productivity.

I think that is a valid comment in the face of an attempt to minimize the destruction the "birth of our nation" caused. The truth is America is not exceptional and the faster that Americans come to accept that fact the better the better off they will be.

[eynon81]

[eynon81]

[The Dharma Bum]

I actually wrote a long response here about how Europeans essentially invaded the remnants of North American apocalypse but it got sponched and I didn't feel like rewriting.

How funny.

[PoS]

If youre gonna blame something for the decimation of the native peoples of America, blame the black death- it made Europeans hardier in terms of disease resistance and thats what ultimately enabled them to successfully colonize North and South America and eventually the world.

[NAB]

[The Dharma Bum]

I fail to see any relevance to your denial. That is a book about the civil war.

The forced harvest of primitive accumulation of thousands of years of production by the industrialized nations, through enclosure, slavery, and imperialism is a well documented anthropological fact. You may as well tell me that George Washington couldn't tell a lie or something as a counter argument

As for the origin of of the US constitution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace

And the only reason any wildlife coexists with humanity now is or then is because of extensive wildlife management. Another thing we learned from Amerindians (this goes far beyond showing colonists how to plant corn)

You say you don't think Amerinds were ignorant savages but then attempt to completely minimize their many contributions to our society as if they never existed.

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

[NAB]