FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

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FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby uebermann » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:02 pm

Basically, there's no proof listed at all that the Russian government was behind anything. Is it possible? Sure. But if they are going to make the claim and say it is for sure the Russian government, then why can't they give the proof saying as such?

Link to the JAR: https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/f ... 6-1229.pdf

link to Ars Technica report on it: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12 ... o-rage-on/

I think its pretty damn irresponsible for our government to make this claim, then have no means to back it up.
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:59 am

There was only one armed Russian at the polls when I voted. I told him I was going to vote for Trump regardless, and he had time to step out for a cigarette if he wished.
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby Slava » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:38 am

There is no proof, but there's a great desire to demonise Russia, isn't that obvious? Just like with Malaysian Boeing shot down over Ukraine: the US still refuse to provide their satellite data, while continuing to claim that it was Russians who did the crime.
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby ToddStarnes » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:45 am

"Slava" :)) subtle dude
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby John Galt » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:05 pm

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the dutch are the ones who have identified the missle as having been russian made, smuggled into Ukraine, and smuggled out of Ukraine after the launch

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... a-airlines

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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby NAB » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:33 pm

I was about to respond to uber until I realized it was thread necromancy.

This just in today

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ia-records

Shit's still on and Comey has an opportunity to redeem himself.
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby Saz » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:01 am

Slava wrote:There is no proof, but there's a great desire to demonise Russia, isn't that obvious? Just like with Malaysian Boeing shot down over Ukraine: the US still refuse to provide their satellite data, while continuing to claim that it was Russians who did the crime.


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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby Kane » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:03 am

uebermann wrote:Basically, there's no proof listed at all that the Russian government was behind anything. Is it possible? Sure. But if they are going to make the claim and say it is for sure the Russian government, then why can't they give the proof saying as such?

Link to the JAR: https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/f ... 6-1229.pdf

link to Ars Technica report on it: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12 ... o-rage-on/

I think its pretty damn irresponsible for our government to make this claim, then have no means to back it up.


"This ultimately seems like a very rushed report put together by multiple teams working different data sets and motivations," Robert M. Lee, CEO and Founder of the security company Dragos, wrote in a critique published Friday. "It is my opinion and speculation that there were some really good government analysts and operators contributing to this data and then report reviews, leadership approval processes, and sanitation processes stripped out most of the value and left behind a very confusing report trying to cover too much while saying too little."


It's an ongoing investigation. I wouldn't expect much to be released publicly until it's more definitive. Anything other than that would be reckless. Honestly at this rate Trump's cabinet members are being culled every two weeks. I think the issue is primarily one of circumstantial evidence at this point. They need more definitive proof.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/p ... v=top-news

American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials — and others close to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin — and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence.

Separately, American intelligence agencies had intercepted communications of Russian officials, some of them within the Kremlin, discussing contacts with Trump associates.

The disclosures about the contacts came as new questions were raised about Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s ties to the Russians. According to a former senior American official, he met with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, twice in the past year. The details of the meetings were not clear, but the contact appeared to contradict testimony Mr. Sessions provided Congress during his confirmation hearing in January when he said he “did not have communications with the Russians.”

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As Inauguration Day approached, Obama White House officials grew convinced that the intelligence was damning and that they needed to ensure that as many people as possible inside government could see it, even if people without security clearances could not. Some officials began asking specific questions at intelligence briefings, knowing the answers would be archived and could be easily unearthed by investigators — including the Senate Intelligence Committee, which in early January announced an inquiry into Russian efforts to influence the election.

At intelligence agencies, there was a push to process as much raw intelligence as possible into analyses, and to keep the reports at a relatively low classification level to ensure as wide a readership as possible across the government — and, in some cases, among European allies. This allowed the upload of as much intelligence as possible to Intellipedia, a secret wiki used by American analysts to share information.

There was also an effort to pass reports and other sensitive materials to Congress. In one instance, the State Department sent a cache of documents marked “secret” to Senator Benjamin Cardin of Maryland days before the Jan. 20 inauguration. The documents, detailing Russian efforts to intervene in elections worldwide, were sent in response to a request from Mr. Cardin, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, and were shared with Republicans on the panel.

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The opposite happened with the most sensitive intelligence, including the names of sources and the identities of foreigners who were regularly monitored. Officials tightened the already small number of people who could access that information. They knew the information could not be kept from the new president or his top advisers, but wanted to narrow the number of people who might see the information, officials said.

More than a half-dozen current and former officials described various aspects of the effort to preserve and distribute the intelligence, and some said they were speaking to draw attention to the material and ensure proper investigation by Congress. All spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified information, nearly all of which remains secret, making an independent public assessment of the competing Obama and Trump administration claims impossible.

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The warning signs had been building throughout the summer, but were far from clear. As WikiLeaks was pushing out emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee through online publication, American intelligence began picking up conversations in which Russian officials were discussing contacts with Trump associates, and European allies were starting to pass along information about people close to Mr. Trump meeting with Russians in the Netherlands, Britain and other countries.

But what was going on in the meetings was unclear to the officials, and the intercepted communications did little to clarify matters
— the Russians, it appeared, were arguing about how far to go in interfering in the presidential election. What intensified the alarm at the Obama White House was a campaign of cyberattacks on state electoral systems in September, which led the administration to deliver a public accusation against the Russians in October.

But it wasn’t until after the election, and after more intelligence had come in, that the administration began to grasp the scope of the suspected tampering and concluded that one goal of the campaign was to help tip the election in Mr. Trump’s favor. In early December, Mr. Obama ordered the intelligence community to conduct a full assessment of the Russian campaign.

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In the weeks before the assessment was released in January, the intelligence community combed through databases for an array of communications and other information — some of which was months old by then — and began producing reports that showed there were contacts during the campaign between Trump associates and Russian officials.

The nature of the contacts remains unknown. Several of Mr. Trump’s associates have done business in Russia, and it is unclear if any of the contacts were related to business dealings.


The New York Times, citing four current and former officials, reported last month that the American authorities had obtained information of repeated contacts between Mr. Trump’s associates and senior Russian intelligence officials. The White House has dismissed the story as false.

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Beyond leaving a trail for investigators, the Obama administration also wanted to help European allies combat a threat that had caught the United States off guard. American intelligence agencies made it clear in the declassified version of the intelligence assessment released in January that they believed Russia intended to use its attacks on the United States as a template for more meddling. “We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned,” the report said, “to future influence efforts worldwide, including against U.S. allies.”

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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:00 pm

We were going to blame Cuba if John Glenn's flight failed, but it didn't. My guess is similar BS still goes on today.
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Re: FBI Joint Analysis Report of Russian hacking lacks proof

Postby NAB » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:08 pm

spacemonkey wrote:We were going to blame Cuba if John Glenn's flight failed, but it didn't. My guess is similar BS still goes on today.


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