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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby The Comrade » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:15 pm

oh i thought it was a tamogochi or something.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby IndependentProfessor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:21 am

Philly wrote:Ok so you want me to respond to a story about how Castro was an oppressive tyrant?

I agree - he was an oppressive tyrant.


Then why were you defending him (the healthcare and literacy post)?

The healthcare system there is atrocious . . . for actual Cubans who don't work directly for the military or Party. And their literacy rate was the 4th highest in Latin America before Castro took power.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby IndependentProfessor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:24 am

exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby Philly » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:30 am

IndependentProfessor wrote:
Philly wrote:Ok so you want me to respond to a story about how Castro was an oppressive tyrant?

I agree - he was an oppressive tyrant.


Then why were you defending him (the healthcare and literacy post)?

The healthcare system there is atrocious . . . for actual Cubans who don't work directly for the military or Party. And their literacy rate was the 4th highest in Latin America before Castro took power.

Because you can be an oppressive tyrant and still have some positive accomplishments. Their healthcare system isn't good, which I've already acknowledged. As for their literacy rate, it was 4th but now its number one.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby exploited » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:32 am

IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby John Galt » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:37 am

exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby jimmyz » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:56 am

The Comrade wrote:oh i thought it was a tamogochi or something.


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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby exploited » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:04 am

John Galt wrote:
exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


korea, gulf war, panama, bosnia


Korea counts. The rest don't.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby NAB » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:24 am

exploited wrote:
John Galt wrote:
exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


korea, gulf war, panama, bosnia


Korea counts. The rest don't.


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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby The Comrade » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:15 pm

jimmyz wrote:
The Comrade wrote:oh i thought it was a tamogochi or something.


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