Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby IndependentProfessor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:47 pm

exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


And the US reacted properly, cutting off diplomatic relations and imposing an embargo, when Batista began going off the deep end.

John F Kennedy wrote:"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear."
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby IndependentProfessor » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:50 pm

exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


Northern Vietnam invaded our ally and attacked US troops. Were we not supposed to defend ourselves?

And "millions"? That is probably a bit high.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby Philly » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:53 pm

Prof's childlike belief that the United States' history in Latin America is even slightly humanitarian-minded is pretty endearing.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby Philly » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:54 pm

And now he's defending the Vietnam war lmao
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby John Galt » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:16 pm

exploited wrote:
John Galt wrote:
exploited wrote:
IndependentProfessor wrote:
exploited wrote:Castro was an asshole.

Of course, it should be pointed out that the number of Castro victims is dwarfed by the number of victims of American state violence.


And how many people have been liberated by American state violence versus how many people have been liberated by Cuban state violence?

I daresay that our track record is a bit better than theirs.


The age of America liberating people ended in WWII.

The US government has killed millions of people since then. Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

You can argue it is worth it, but then you are engaged in the same sort of logic that Castro applied. After all, people seem to forget what Batista did.


korea, gulf war, panama, bosnia


Korea counts. The rest don't.


gulf war was freeing kuwait. panama was wrestling back the democracy of panama from the dictator. bosnia ended up with separate free nations from the ashes of yugoslavia. yes, they do count for what you are saying.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby exploited » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:44 pm

John Galt wrote:gulf war was freeing kuwait. panama was wrestling back the democracy of panama from the dictator. bosnia ended up with separate free nations from the ashes of yugoslavia. yes, they do count for what you are saying.


Literally nothing in the ME will ever count as liberation, unless you want to wager the opinion that defending one tyranny from another is liberation.

Lol at your post in re: Panama or Bosnia. Nothing else need be said
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby The Comrade » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:57 pm

Ex was a big fan of srebrenica
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby exploited » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:17 pm

That was where Western powers, led by the US, prevented a massacre right?




Oh. Yeah.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby The Comrade » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:58 pm

No that's the final solution the NATO intervention prevented from happening on a mass scale.
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Re: Fidel Castro (1926-2016)

Postby IndependentProfessor » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:22 am

Philly wrote:Prof's childlike belief that the United States' history in Latin America is even slightly humanitarian-minded is pretty endearing.


Yeah, because Cuba = all Latin America. Amirite?
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