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Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby fstarcstar » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:42 pm

Washington (CNN)—Barry Coates, the U.S. veteran who became the human face of the Veterans Affairs scandal over delays in care in 2014, died on Saturday of the cancer that wracked his body after waits for medical care at a VA facility. He was 46.

Coates became a national figure representing delays in medical care at VA hospitals after he was featured prominently in a CNN investigation in January 2014.

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About a year after first complaining to his doctors of pain, Coates said, he was able to get a colonoscopy. Doctors discovered a cancerous tumor the size of a baseball. By then he had Stage 4 cancer, and it was only a matter of time before he was overtaken by the illness, he told lawmakers.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/us/barry- ... index.html

Our own veteran had to wait months to get a colonoscopy, turns out to of been at stage 4 cancer, helped testify to congress about the VA scandal and has now passed away.

For the life of me, I can't understand how we can't get proper care to our veterans. I have no idea if any of the changes we did are making any effect, but I don't think spending millions will legitimately fix the issue.

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Re: Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby Philly » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:44 pm

Agreed. Under Senator Sanders' universal healthcare plan, no veteran will be stuck in this poorly run VA system anymore. It's just a shame we can't adopt his plan immediately.
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Postby John Galt » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:51 pm

Philly wrote:Agreed. Under Senator Sanders' universal healthcare plan, no veteran will be stuck in this poorly run VA system anymore. It's just a shame we can't adopt his plan immediately.


yeah that's genius

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Re: Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby Philly » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:53 pm

John Galt wrote:
Philly wrote:Agreed. Under Senator Sanders' universal healthcare plan, no veteran will be stuck in this poorly run VA system anymore. It's just a shame we can't adopt his plan immediately.


yeah that's genius

government can't run healthcare ============> better make it so everyone has to use it

The VA is actual government run healthcare. The facilities, the medical staff, all government operations. Senator Sanders' plan is about health care insurance. The government wouldn't run the hospitals. Doctors wouldn't be government employees.
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Postby fstarcstar » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:54 pm

Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.
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Postby Philly » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:55 pm

fstarcstar wrote:Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.

Why not?
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Postby John Galt » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:01 pm

Philly wrote:
fstarcstar wrote:Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.

Why not?


if you paid for a service for your car every year, and were forced to pay for it, that covered all maintenance, you would go in all the time to make sure you "got your money's worth", thus increasing "demand". skyrocketing costs will either be covered by decreasing quality (sanders is suggesting to pay doctors 10% less than what they get paid currently by medicare, which is negotiated lower than normal) or increasing taxes. quality is what will go

people go to the mayo clinic from all over the world. with a negotiated rate across the board, either there would be no insurance, or you'd have to pay out of pocket.

the end result is the same as va today, only all hospitals.

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Re: Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby Philly » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:07 pm

John Galt wrote:
Philly wrote:
fstarcstar wrote:Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.

Why not?


if you paid for a service for your car every year, and were forced to pay for it, that covered all maintenance, you would go in all the time to make sure you "got your money's worth", thus increasing "demand". skyrocketing costs will either be covered by decreasing quality (sanders is suggesting to pay doctors 10% less than what they get paid currently by medicare, which is negotiated lower than normal) or increasing taxes. quality is what will go

people go to the mayo clinic from all over the world. with a negotiated rate across the board, either there would be no insurance, or you'd have to pay out of pocket.

the end result is the same as va today, only all hospitals.

no thank you

He has a lot of cost saving measures to counterbalance that. Particularly to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies the way everyone else in the west does.
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Re: Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby John Galt » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:13 pm

Philly wrote:
John Galt wrote:
Philly wrote:
fstarcstar wrote:Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.

Why not?


if you paid for a service for your car every year, and were forced to pay for it, that covered all maintenance, you would go in all the time to make sure you "got your money's worth", thus increasing "demand". skyrocketing costs will either be covered by decreasing quality (sanders is suggesting to pay doctors 10% less than what they get paid currently by medicare, which is negotiated lower than normal) or increasing taxes. quality is what will go

people go to the mayo clinic from all over the world. with a negotiated rate across the board, either there would be no insurance, or you'd have to pay out of pocket.

the end result is the same as va today, only all hospitals.

no thank you

He has a lot of cost saving measures to counterbalance that. Particularly to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies the way everyone else in the west does.


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Re: Death is a reminder we suck at helping Veterans

Postby Dylan » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:17 pm

fstarcstar wrote:Veterans should already be on something of a similar nature that allows them to go to any doctor or clinic. Average American, no.
Why should vets get this kind of special treatment again?
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