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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby The Comrade » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:14 pm

Philly wrote:
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Philly wrote:If you want the list to go away, giving the government more things to use it for probably isn't a great idea.


As long as we have it use it right.

And then you just have more people bought into its necessity and it becomes harder to get rid of.

You talk about pragmatism vs. idealism. "I hope we can get rid of this list but in the meantime let's create more uses for it"


You have no evidence of that being the case.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby Philly » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:23 pm

It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby The Comrade » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:53 pm

Philly wrote:It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.


All you did was repeat your conclusion. Its pretty obvious you're just winging it.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby exploited » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:03 pm

The Comrade wrote:
Philly wrote:It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.


All you did was repeat your conclusion. Its pretty obvious you're just winging it.


It's not an unreasonable point to make though. The more useful a policy, the harder it is to repeal. Making a bad policy more useful is therefore not a sound idea.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby The Comrade » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:12 pm

exploited wrote:
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Philly wrote:It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.


All you did was repeat your conclusion. Its pretty obvious you're just winging it.


It's not an unreasonable point to make though. The more useful a policy, the harder it is to repeal. Making a bad policy more useful is therefore not a sound idea.



But there's no evidence of that.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby Philly » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:13 pm

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Philly wrote:It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.


All you did was repeat your conclusion. Its pretty obvious you're just winging it.

So basic logic can't be applied to a hypothetical scenario?
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby The Comrade » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:13 pm

Nah, not when you apply some normative standard to something with no evidence to support it.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby exploited » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:17 pm

The Comrade wrote:
exploited wrote:
The Comrade wrote:
Philly wrote:It's pretty obvious. Once you make something a vehicle for keeping guns out of the hands of "dangerous" people (though most of the million+ on the list are probably not dangerous at all) it becomes harder to get rid of the list altogether.


All you did was repeat your conclusion. Its pretty obvious you're just winging it.


It's not an unreasonable point to make though. The more useful a policy, the harder it is to repeal. Making a bad policy more useful is therefore not a sound idea.



But there's no evidence of that.


Well, I'm hesitant to bring up income tax in Canada, because taxation is kind of a different beast... but in WWI, Canada introduced an income tax. It was widely understood to be temporary, needed only to fund the war effort, and intended to be repealed whenever the war finished up. It's been a century, and of course we still have it, largely because it is a very useful way to generate revenue. In fact, if you read the debates surrounding the measure, the idea of it being too useful to get rid of is explicitly brought up in the legislature many times. Of course the opposition didn't have any evidence to point to either... just a fairly reasonable expectation that government is loath to give up any power that it thinks is useful. Being able to prevent people from buying guns simply by adding them to a list that has virtually no oversight whatsoever is a tremendous power.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby The Comrade » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:21 pm

Yeah exactly it's a different beast. Next.
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Re: Another mass shooting; at disabilities center in CA

Postby exploited » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:23 pm

The Comrade wrote:Yeah exactly it's a different beast. Next.


You're slipping, and I'm surprised you went for that obvious bait.

Why is it different, Comrade?
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