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Re: World's first trouple

Postby Dylan » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:00 pm

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Dylan wrote:I've listened to logic and changed my mind on this forum many times.


And many many more times you haven't changed your mind...yes.

Of course. When I don't see logical arguments against my position, I don't change my mind.

You've presented no arguments btw. You've just said "because". Which is the exact same thing people who said divorce was an abomination said. "Because".
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby jimmyz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:04 pm

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Dylan wrote:I've listened to logic and changed my mind on this forum many times.


And many many more times you haven't changed your mind...yes.

Of course. When I don't see logical arguments against my position, I don't change my mind.

You've presented no arguments btw. You've just said "because". Which is the exact same thing people who said divorce was an abomination said. "Because".


My argument was the three guys marrying was taking us down a road. A road that made me wonder where it would lead. The OP was not about gay marriage (2 people) bad. I've already accepted it.
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby Spider » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:07 pm

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Dylan wrote:
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Dylan wrote:I've listened to logic and changed my mind on this forum many times.


And many many more times you haven't changed your mind...yes.

Of course. When I don't see logical arguments against my position, I don't change my mind.

You've presented no arguments btw. You've just said "because". Which is the exact same thing people who said divorce was an abomination said. "Because".


My argument was the three guys marrying was taking us down a road. A road that made me wonder where it would lead. The OP was not about gay marriage (2 people) bad. I've already accepted it.


Have you? Have you really? :-?

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Re: World's first trouple

Postby jimmyz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:10 pm

Spider wrote:
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Dylan wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
Dylan wrote:I've listened to logic and changed my mind on this forum many times.


And many many more times you haven't changed your mind...yes.

Of course. When I don't see logical arguments against my position, I don't change my mind.

You've presented no arguments btw. You've just said "because". Which is the exact same thing people who said divorce was an abomination said. "Because".


My argument was the three guys marrying was taking us down a road. A road that made me wonder where it would lead. The OP was not about gay marriage (2 people) bad. I've already accepted it.


Have you? Have you really? :-?

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Yes I have. Two persons gay marriage is law in 36 states now IIRC. Only a matter of time before marriage of any number of people to each other gets accepted.
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby exploited » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:17 pm

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Spider wrote:I say let someone else have a crack at it. The straights have turned it into a joke. Divorces for $99 online.


It's just a simple and unavoidable truth that at least 75% of humanity should not marry. The less important of a social institution it becomes, the better for relationships overall.


Probably true.


Most certainly true.

If you have ever been divorced, it means that you aren't fit for marriage. That's just a fact. When I say this people are always like "But what about people who jumped into it or married a person who turned out to be totally different or abusive or cruel?" And my response is the same: it's proof that you aren't fit for marriage. Because marriage has a very specific function, in my mind, and that is to provide an emotionally healthy, lifelong, loving relationship, based upon total acceptance and understanding of your partner, with absolutely zero possibility of ever ending in divorce. So if you got married to someone who abuses you, or married to someone you barely know, or married to someone you can't negotiate and compromise with, no matter what, then it follows that you do not have the emotional or mental maturity/stability/development to get into a relationship of that nature. And absent changing who you are to a drastic degree, which most adults cannot do, that will always be the case.

Based on that, we know that 60-65% of people who marry shouldn't have married. We also know that at least half of all marriages are unhappy or involve regular, persistent cheating. Not hard to get to that 75%.


Some people simply fall victim to false advertising, though. I've seen that. Someone gets married to someone they've been with for months, and then that person changes...like a switch being thrown. Suddenly the sweet, caring fun girl you married has cut her hair off, gained 40 lbs, and starts bitching and complaining at you all day, entitled to this, demanding that. Happened to a buddy from college. He got out before there were any kids, thankfully. Another example is a guy who started hitting this girl who used to work at our office. That guy had been to our place on several occasions, socially he went with us on a weekend long fishing trips, seemed a pretty decent sort. Shy, quiet, reserved, bit nerdy, really. But damn if he didn't start slapping her around within two months of the wedding after over a year of living with her.

So shit happens. We can't blame people when others so completely misrepresent themselves.


Probably you weren't hearing the whole story.

In the first example, sounds like they both had vastly different expectations for what marriage entails. Which isn't unusual - I'm guessing most people who get married haven't sat down even ONCE and discussed what that means to them and their partner. But this again is living proof that such people shouldn't consider marriage - they are so emotionally undeveloped that they don't even know enough to talk about the most important decision of their life and what it means for the relationship.

In the second example, I am 99.9% certain the girl was abused for most, if not all, of the relationship, but didn't want to admit that she consented to marry an abusive guy. Took her the realization that she'd be with him forever to finally figure out her situation. If what she claims is in fact true, that is so utterly unlikely to happen that it probably couldn't even be statistically measured - and so when we're talking about billions of people in the aggregate, it is hardly worth considering, IMO.

Like everything, I accept that there are exceptions. But those exceptions don't apply to at least 95% of relationships that end in divorce. Nope, 95% of the time it's just one or both parties making a stupid and rash decision with little actual thought and even less interpersonal communication (i.e. if the first time you talked about marriage is when you got engaged, goddamn is that person stupid).
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby exploited » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:18 pm

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Yes I have. Two persons gay marriage is law in 36 states now IIRC. Only a matter of time before marriage of any number of people to each other gets accepted.


Agreed. This is a good thing. I personally cannot wait to make my girlfriend my second wife.
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby jimmyz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:27 pm

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Yes I have. Two persons gay marriage is law in 36 states now IIRC. Only a matter of time before marriage of any number of people to each other gets accepted.


Agreed. This is a good thing. I personally cannot wait to make my girlfriend my second wife.


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Re: World's first trouple

Postby Dylan » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:24 pm

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jimmyz wrote:Wasn't a catholic/religious ceremony. A civil one. Galt with have to take this up with you I guess. I think he still thinks he's married according to God.

So what? Society has said marriage is a sacred bond that cannot be ended for a long time (just like it said marriage is between one man and one woman for a long time).

And I bet you said those fateful words, till death do us part.

But you didn't really mean it. And now you're deciding what marriage should be for others. Society told you marriage was for life and you said "nah".

Why are you allowed to reject society's perspective on what marriage should be, but this new generation that's rejecting society's perspective on what marriage should be is in the wrong?

How absurdly and laughably hypocritical.


I was dead inside that marriage... so technically lol
ha i hear that. sadly. it's a bad feeling i know all too well and i shouldn't give you shit for it sorry man. but i just don't understad why you care what other consenting adults do. you know how hard it is to be happy in this shit world. if marrying 2 dudes makes a guy happy, more power to them IMO. i can't wrap my head around wanting to deny something like marriage to anyone.
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Re: World's first trouple

Postby Libertarian602 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:13 am

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Winchester wrote:I'm not sure polygamy is taking marriage to new concepts or places... maybe being they're all the same sex.

Honestly this will be filed under the I really don't care what others do that have little/no impact on my own life.

Why do you care jimmy?


You miss the point. This is the start of a perversion of same sex marriage into many other types of unions to come.

Once marriage means nothing it can mean anything.

Three questions.

Why do you need a piece of paper from a county clerk to validate your relationship with your significant other?
Next, how does what other consenting adults do affect your marriage, if you have one?
Lastly, since there is about a 50% divorce rate in this country, is marriage really sanctified these days?

I know folks who've been married a bunch of times, I hear about folks who hardly know one another marry on reality TV, and yet you seem worried about queers doing the same thing.

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Re: World's first trouple

Postby Guest » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:15 am

The ceremony and the institution of marriage just isn't as important to people, especially the younger people as it use to be. It's not the gays fault, it's not anyone's fault. It's just the way it is today. Many people just don't care if they are married, and if they get married how they are married, or who marries them. Anyone can get ordained on the Internet and preform a marriage ceremony pretty much says a lot about how the institution of marriage is looked at nowadays.

It use to be a big deal. Now? Not so much. I think the whole concept of marriage has become minimized. I don't know if that is good or bad. I really don't care.
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