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Postby jimmyz » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:01 pm

NAB wrote:
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jimmyz wrote:We have arrested US citizens for terrorism here. A US citizen killed 13 at Fort hood. 2 US citizens tried to kill the cartoon makers in Texas. The guy last week in Massachusetts was a US citizen wanting to behead someone with the knife he was carrying. These people need to be electronically found and tracked domestically and worldwide. Where are your rights to privacy in public, if you consider sending and receiving communications using the airwaves as public space, enumerated in the Constitution? I don't remember where myself.


Did the NSA foil any of those events? Prism was in place for most, if not all of them. Again, the NSA foiled exactly one known "plan", and it involved someone funding something for $8000 in the San Diego area iirc. Was pretty small potatoes, if really even a serious plan. Great return on our investment there, the invasion of our rights aside.

I'm always confused why some people who are so for upholding the 2nd Amendement can be so quick to disregard the 4th.


The 4th doesn't cover Ahmed in Syria. I believe they need a warrant before they can listen in on you calls NAB. Your Fourth Amendment rights are intact.


Your post would make sense if the NSA limited its data collection to non U.S. citizens. In fact, they do the exact opposite, and tried to do so intentionally in secret until they were outed. They are able to circumvent the warrants by claiming its meta-data (and by having FISA courts who never say no to them), and meta-data is more privacy invasive than simply listening in on your calls. Go do some reading on what they were collecting and you might change your tune. I'd be completely cool with the NSA if they actually were doing what they claimed or should be doing. Why do you think the Patriot Act issue has been such an issue? The NSA took a poorly written clause in the original horrible Act and ran with it.


I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby Medius » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:15 pm

jimmyz wrote:I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.


Until their computer gets confused becomes someone uses your name as an alias. Something that has happened to people with domestic police. Or it becomes illegal to be you.

People taking your stance don't get that they aren't selling out their own rights, they are selling out the rights of their children's children. Right now, in this country, if we eliminated the bill of rights entirely, do you think it would change much? These concepts are indoctrinated into us, so it would likely result in no change... for a while. And eventually, lots of things would change, over time, and we leave a cesspool of a government for future generations.

But at least Jimmyz didn't have to face the chance of getting shot buy a terrorist, a threat slightly lower than being crushed to death by an alligator.
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby NAB » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:33 pm

jimmyz wrote:
NAB wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
NAB wrote:
jimmyz wrote:We have arrested US citizens for terrorism here. A US citizen killed 13 at Fort hood. 2 US citizens tried to kill the cartoon makers in Texas. The guy last week in Massachusetts was a US citizen wanting to behead someone with the knife he was carrying. These people need to be electronically found and tracked domestically and worldwide. Where are your rights to privacy in public, if you consider sending and receiving communications using the airwaves as public space, enumerated in the Constitution? I don't remember where myself.


Did the NSA foil any of those events? Prism was in place for most, if not all of them. Again, the NSA foiled exactly one known "plan", and it involved someone funding something for $8000 in the San Diego area iirc. Was pretty small potatoes, if really even a serious plan. Great return on our investment there, the invasion of our rights aside.

I'm always confused why some people who are so for upholding the 2nd Amendement can be so quick to disregard the 4th.


The 4th doesn't cover Ahmed in Syria. I believe they need a warrant before they can listen in on you calls NAB. Your Fourth Amendment rights are intact.


Your post would make sense if the NSA limited its data collection to non U.S. citizens. In fact, they do the exact opposite, and tried to do so intentionally in secret until they were outed. They are able to circumvent the warrants by claiming its meta-data (and by having FISA courts who never say no to them), and meta-data is more privacy invasive than simply listening in on your calls. Go do some reading on what they were collecting and you might change your tune. I'd be completely cool with the NSA if they actually were doing what they claimed or should be doing. Why do you think the Patriot Act issue has been such an issue? The NSA took a poorly written clause in the original horrible Act and ran with it.


I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.


Glenn Greenwald does a decent job of explaining why it is so important, even to those who've got nothing to hide. Take some time to watch this when you get a chance, it's pretty compelling imho.

Video from : old youtu.be
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby jimmyz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:16 pm

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jimmyz wrote:I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.


Until their computer gets confused becomes someone uses your name as an alias. Something that has happened to people with domestic police. Or it becomes illegal to be you.

People taking your stance don't get that they aren't selling out their own rights, they are selling out the rights of their children's children. Right now, in this country, if we eliminated the bill of rights entirely, do you think it would change much? These concepts are indoctrinated into us, so it would likely result in no change... for a while. And eventually, lots of things would change, over time, and we leave a cesspool of a government for future generations.

But at least Jimmyz didn't have to face the chance of getting shot buy a terrorist, a threat slightly lower than being crushed to death by an alligator.


More fear mongering. People taking your stance keep the freeze dried food and ammo manufacturers in profit. You've been surveilled for years now by big brother. Please name the rights that you enjoy that have been infringed? Please tell us about the seizures of your property or the interrogations. Better yet tell me about these things happening to anyone you know. They aren't happening. Your fear is the only thing going on. But but but the children's children. No. Now back to your studying of your FEMA camp maps.
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby jimmyz » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:19 pm

NAB wrote:Glenn Greenwald does a decent job of explaining why it is so important, even to those who've got nothing to hide. Take some time to watch this when you get a chance, it's pretty compelling imho.

Video from : old youtu.be


Not persuaded. But thanks for the video. If I were into things like silk road, beastiality or child porn or laundering dope proceeds I'd worry. But the citizen need not worry. There is not enough malevolent government to cover us all. Nor is it the intent of the Feds to crush the people. Control? OK how. Making me have less anal intercourse with my wife by being able to view my bed through my smart TV? lol I have a coworker who actually believes they do that so he has all last gen TVs in his home.
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby Dylan » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:34 pm

jimmyz wrote:
NAB wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
NAB wrote:
jimmyz wrote:We have arrested US citizens for terrorism here. A US citizen killed 13 at Fort hood. 2 US citizens tried to kill the cartoon makers in Texas. The guy last week in Massachusetts was a US citizen wanting to behead someone with the knife he was carrying. These people need to be electronically found and tracked domestically and worldwide. Where are your rights to privacy in public, if you consider sending and receiving communications using the airwaves as public space, enumerated in the Constitution? I don't remember where myself.


Did the NSA foil any of those events? Prism was in place for most, if not all of them. Again, the NSA foiled exactly one known "plan", and it involved someone funding something for $8000 in the San Diego area iirc. Was pretty small potatoes, if really even a serious plan. Great return on our investment there, the invasion of our rights aside.

I'm always confused why some people who are so for upholding the 2nd Amendement can be so quick to disregard the 4th.


The 4th doesn't cover Ahmed in Syria. I believe they need a warrant before they can listen in on you calls NAB. Your Fourth Amendment rights are intact.


Your post would make sense if the NSA limited its data collection to non U.S. citizens. In fact, they do the exact opposite, and tried to do so intentionally in secret until they were outed. They are able to circumvent the warrants by claiming its meta-data (and by having FISA courts who never say no to them), and meta-data is more privacy invasive than simply listening in on your calls. Go do some reading on what they were collecting and you might change your tune. I'd be completely cool with the NSA if they actually were doing what they claimed or should be doing. Why do you think the Patriot Act issue has been such an issue? The NSA took a poorly written clause in the original horrible Act and ran with it.


I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.

You shifted tacts from "but it's legal" to "but I have nothing to hide" pretty quickly.

Seems you've decided you like this policy and you're willing to defend it regardless of its legality. That's called reaching a conclusion and working backwards. You should try to think more critically in the future.
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:41 pm

My guess is " if they have the ability to collect data, they probably will". Seriously, who is really able to stop it ?
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby Medius » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:49 pm

jimmyz wrote:
Medius wrote:
jimmyz wrote:I'm trying to think what they would have on me. Nope they still have nothing. I'm probably in the boring middle-aged dude server archives so it matters to me little. I'd be pissed if they sold my #s to phone solicitors though. Maybe I should get up-in-arms more about Google and Radio Shack doing that sort of thing.


Until their computer gets confused becomes someone uses your name as an alias. Something that has happened to people with domestic police. Or it becomes illegal to be you.

People taking your stance don't get that they aren't selling out their own rights, they are selling out the rights of their children's children. Right now, in this country, if we eliminated the bill of rights entirely, do you think it would change much? These concepts are indoctrinated into us, so it would likely result in no change... for a while. And eventually, lots of things would change, over time, and we leave a cesspool of a government for future generations.

But at least Jimmyz didn't have to face the chance of getting shot buy a terrorist, a threat slightly lower than being crushed to death by an alligator.


More fear mongering. People taking your stance keep the freeze dried food and ammo manufacturers in profit. You've been surveilled for years now by big brother. Please name the rights that you enjoy that have been infringed? Please tell us about the seizures of your property or the interrogations. Better yet tell me about these things happening to anyone you know. They aren't happening. Your fear is the only thing going on. But but but the children's children. No. Now back to your studying of your FEMA camp maps.


My fourth amendment has been infringed. It really doesn't matter whether they do anything with the information or not, my data has been collected. An unwarranted search has been performed on me.

If Obama sent you personally a letter saying "Jimmyz, we have removed your right to free speech. However, we are attaching a waiver that we will allow you to continue speaking freely by our decree." Is your right violated? You can still speak. You just don't have the right to speak. They aren't going to stop you, unless they want to....

And that's the key here. My right is to be secure in my person, houses, papers, and effects. Not to be reassured that the rifling of my person, houses, papers, and effects won't be used against me unless I'm a terrorist.

So yes, that right is gone. The government has removed it. Whether they do anything negative with the information or not, the right is infringed.

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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby xdangerousxdavex » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:06 am

NAB wrote:I read this story today and lol'd. Some member of ISIS posted some bragging selfies from Syria and in less than a day the Air Force destroyed their compound. Hilarious.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update ... estruction

Careful what you post.


Now you see that selfies and it's extreme varieties are bad for your health. :D
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Re: ISIS member posts selfie; Air Force sends response

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Collecting data to fight terror probably includes looking at everything. Like a fire spotting tower in the forest, The entire forest needs to be in view to spot any potential problem spots.
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