Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Southern Dad » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:19 am

exploited wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:
exploited wrote:Why lie? That's my question. If the stores weren't meeting sales targets or whatever, it isn't a big deal to close them. Pretty standard for all huge chains like that.


The California store has been a labor problem for them for years. The Black Friday strikes originated there. In addition, they've had many demands for pay increases from there.


Well, as you know, Section 7 of the NLRA specifically recognizes the right of employees to form unions. It also specifically prohibits actions that harm employees for attempting to organize or successfully organizing.

Assuming your argument is true, and that these employees were fired for organizing, then they have clear legal grounds to sue.

No doubt that you, as a supporter of law and order, will be diligent in defending and protecting the rights of your fellow Americans, and would support government intervention to uphold the law. Right?


That's a creative question. Yes, I support law and order but is a company allowed to close a store that they have had labor issues at? Would that be a violation? Especially if they were to claim plumbing problems. If they only terminated the employees that organized, I'd say it was open and shut. But closing five stores for a period of six months or more?
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Dylan » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:29 pm

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Southern Dad wrote:Do you believe it is plumbing? ..... Six months? They could build the store in six months.


I believe it. Walmart is full of sh!t.

Kane sighting! Weird. Quit lurking and hit us with some knowledge on TPP ya douche.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Professor » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:18 pm

Also, the fire sprinkler systems are considered "plumbing". And the freezers (open and closed). And the produce area. Bakery, meat department. Pets.

Yeah a lot of plumbing in those things. Takes a long time to fix, as you've got to rip up stuff to even get to it.

Not saying it was the plumbing, but if it was, then I could see 6 months.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Homer » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:32 am

We can rule out unforeseen plumbing issues, because the odds of 5 stores all suddenly developing 6 months worth of unexpected plumbing work at the same time is far fetched. If the work was scheduled, why were employees only given a few hours notice? Store modifications on that scale would be planned months in advance - and city officials in Pico say no permits for work to be carried out gave been sought, nor any kind of notification re plumbing.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Homer » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:35 am

exploited wrote:Why lie? That's my question. If the stores weren't meeting sales targets or whatever, it isn't a big deal to close them. Pretty standard for all huge chains like that.


It depends on why they are closing the stores. If it's to punish workers for trying to improve pay and working conditions, and the stores make a healthy profit, it's going to be hard to use that excuse.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Dylan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:26 am

Homer wrote:We can rule out unforeseen plumbing issues, because the odds of 5 stores all suddenly developing 6 months worth of unexpected plumbing work at the same time is far fetched. If the work was scheduled, why were employees only given a few hours notice? Store modifications on that scale would be planned months in advance - and city officials in Pico say no permits for work to be carried out gave been sought, nor any kind of notification re plumbing.

Walmart claims there have been problems for a while so we can't really rule that possibility out.

few hours notice is probably fine by me since they did give them paid leave for 2 months, so they effectively have 2 months to find a new gig. and full timers get severance after expiration of that period.

if they were going to retaliate i think they'd be savvier than this. walmart is a big company with a very, very robust legal department full of smart people makign sure people like us can't pick their shit apart.

in any event, we'll get to find out most likely:

https://fortune.com/2015/04/20/walmart- ... -plumbing/
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Professor » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:55 pm

Homer wrote:We can rule out unforeseen plumbing issues, because the odds of 5 stores all suddenly developing 6 months worth of unexpected plumbing work at the same time is far fetched. If the work was scheduled, why were employees only given a few hours notice? Store modifications on that scale would be planned months in advance - and city officials in Pico say no permits for work to be carried out gave been sought, nor any kind of notification re plumbing.


Perhaps the stores were all designed by the same design firm (I know that Costco does it this way; one firm literally designed and oversees the building over every new store in the US), and they discovered that the firm incorrectly designed the plumbing in those 5 stores. They discovered it once, found out it applied to 5, and then shut 5 down.

I have no knowledge of this - just offering plausible explanations.

Frankly, I hope that it's to discourage unions.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Dylan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:53 pm

why? unions have done a lot of good. and a lot of bad. but all things in moderation good sir.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:02 pm

Dylan wrote:why? unions have done a lot of good. and a lot of bad. but all things in moderation good sir.

I was in a union, Teamsters. Getting a pension now. That's true, unions can be good or bad. Both sides need a voice. The secret is both voices need to be reasonable.
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Re: Walmart Closes 5 Stores - Putting 2200 Out of Work

Postby Southern Dad » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:48 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
Dylan wrote:why? unions have done a lot of good. and a lot of bad. but all things in moderation good sir.

I was in a union, Teamsters. Getting a pension now. That's true, unions can be good or bad. Both sides need a voice. The secret is both voices need to be reasonable.


At my first job back in 1983, I was union. I worked for Coca Cola in Akron, OH. We were Teamsters Union. I made $17 per hour to watch bottles go by. The minimum wage was $3.25 per hour. I thought the union was the best thing since sliced bread.
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