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US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Tragic KingdomII » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:01 pm

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 38956.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east ... s/1.648660

The Saudi Arabia - Iran proxy war is reaching its peak, with the US somewhat caught in the middle. This is an awkward set of alliances if I've seen one. Shiite militias backed by Iran are at the gates of Tikrit, and US airstrikes will almost surely ensure its liberation (if you want to call it that). This was an otherwise stalled battle, with ISIS inflicting heavy casualties and holding the city for the most part.

In Yemen, Saudi Arabia in consultation with the US (and likely support) is targeting advancing Houthis backed by Iran....the world has gone mad. I don't know what the end game is from America's perspective. You don't need to have boots on the ground to develop some sort of exit strategy, and the US simply doesn't have one. We have ourselves what looks to be a perpetual conflict with sectarian overtones, and things are slowly deteriorating.
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby The Comrade » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:03 pm

our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Tragic KingdomII » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:07 pm

The Comrade wrote:our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.


We'll see how things evolve after the nuclear negotiations are over. One thing that the US has going for it is that the Tikrit offensive proved that the Iraqis can't rely on Iran alone to defeat ISIS. American air support is necessary. This puts a lot of pressure on Iran to reach a deal as the US will undoubtedly be much more hesitant to act as Iran's air cover if the talks breakdown.

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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby micfranklin » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:10 am

Of course Iraq can't handle this on their own. Didn't their army retreat one time when ISIS launched an attack against them?
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby eynon81 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:11 am

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The Comrade wrote:our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.


We'll see how things evolve after the nuclear negotiations are over. One thing that the US has going for it is that the Tikrit offensive proved that the Iraqis can't rely on Iran alone to defeat ISIS. American air support is necessary. This puts a lot of pressure on Iran to reach a deal as the US will undoubtedly be much more hesitant to act as Iran's air cover if the talks breakdown.



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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby eynon81 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:12 am

micfranklin wrote:Of course Iraq can't handle this on their own. Didn't their army retreat one time when ISIS launched an attack against them?


the Iraqi army was like 5% of the forces engaged in this battle. The bulk were "iraqi" shia militia and iranian spec-ops.
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Saz » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:21 am

Tragic KingdomII wrote:
The Comrade wrote:our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.


We'll see how things evolve after the nuclear negotiations are over. One thing that the US has going for it is that the Tikrit offensive proved that the Iraqis can't rely on Iran alone to defeat ISIS. American air support is necessary. This puts a lot of pressure on Iran to reach a deal as the US will undoubtedly be much more hesitant to act as Iran's air cover if the talks breakdown.


The Iranians could easily wipe the floor with ISIS once they have a strong incentive to do so. Right now there is no f**k point in getting their own killed to take over Sunni land they will end up having to give back to a United Iraq or an eventual Sunni state that rises from the ashes. No one really needs the U.S. here, they are just constrained by our retarded and unsustainable policy in the region.
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Kane » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:26 pm

Tragic KingdomII wrote:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/03/saudi-ambassador-announces-military-operation-yemen-150325234138956.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east ... s/1.648660

The Saudi Arabia - Iran proxy war is reaching its peak, with the US somewhat caught in the middle. This is an awkward set of alliances if I've seen one. Shiite militias backed by Iran are at the gates of Tikrit, and US airstrikes will almost surely ensure its liberation (if you want to call it that). This was an otherwise stalled battle, with ISIS inflicting heavy casualties and holding the city for the most part.

In Yemen, Saudi Arabia in consultation with the US (and likely support) is targeting advancing Houthis backed by Iran....the world has gone mad. I don't know what the end game is from America's perspective. You don't need to have boots on the ground to develop some sort of exit strategy, and the US simply doesn't have one. We have ourselves what looks to be a perpetual conflict with sectarian overtones, and things are slowly deteriorating.


Awkward indeed.

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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Tragic KingdomII » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:29 pm

Saz wrote:
Tragic KingdomII wrote:
The Comrade wrote:our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.


We'll see how things evolve after the nuclear negotiations are over. One thing that the US has going for it is that the Tikrit offensive proved that the Iraqis can't rely on Iran alone to defeat ISIS. American air support is necessary. This puts a lot of pressure on Iran to reach a deal as the US will undoubtedly be much more hesitant to act as Iran's air cover if the talks breakdown.


The Iranians could easily wipe the floor with ISIS once they have a strong incentive to do so. Right now there is no f**k point in getting their own killed to take over Sunni land they will end up having to give back to a United Iraq or an eventual Sunni state that rises from the ashes. No one really needs the U.S. here, they are just constrained by our retarded and unsustainable policy in the region.


They'd rather have their Iraqi shia proxies fight on their behalf, but they've proven largely ineffective. Iran does have a strong incentive to at least contain ISIS within the sunni arab areas of Iraq, and that's proven extremely difficult to pull off without coalition air strikes. Why go all out, invade Iraq and wipe the floor with ISIS when the most powerful military on earth can do it for you?
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Re: US launches aistrikes in Tirkrit,Gulf states bomb Yemen

Postby Saz » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:38 pm

Tragic KingdomII wrote:
Saz wrote:
Tragic KingdomII wrote:
The Comrade wrote:our end game is clearly helping out the suadis and the iranians so long as it doesn't ever directly impact the other.


We'll see how things evolve after the nuclear negotiations are over. One thing that the US has going for it is that the Tikrit offensive proved that the Iraqis can't rely on Iran alone to defeat ISIS. American air support is necessary. This puts a lot of pressure on Iran to reach a deal as the US will undoubtedly be much more hesitant to act as Iran's air cover if the talks breakdown.


The Iranians could easily wipe the floor with ISIS once they have a strong incentive to do so. Right now there is no f**k point in getting their own killed to take over Sunni land they will end up having to give back to a United Iraq or an eventual Sunni state that rises from the ashes. No one really needs the U.S. here, they are just constrained by our retarded and unsustainable policy in the region.


They'd rather have their Iraqi shia proxies fight on their behalf, but they've proven largely ineffective. Iran does have a strong incentive to at least contain ISIS within the sunni arab areas of Iraq, and that's proven extremely difficult to pull off without coalition air strikes. Why go all out, invade Iraq and wipe the floor with ISIS when the most powerful military on earth can do it for you?


This is exactly my point. Iran has no problem defending Shia land, they just don't want to bloody themselves for Sunni land. And yea, why do it your self when America is dumb enough to waste it's money doing half the leg work for you. US policy in the region is beyond stupid at this point. We have no f**k clue what we are doing.
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