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Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby NAB » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:09 pm

I know we had a topic concerning the embassy withdrawal in Yemen a while back (and subsequent loss of vehicles), but I came across this story which could potentially be more damning, and that is the loss of the US Special Operations base in Yemen. It also appears to have not gotten a heavy dose of media coverage from what I've seen (I encountered the story by chance).

While somewhat controversial (mainly due to drone strikes), this centralized base appeared to be pretty effective with regards to AQ. Location, location, location...



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/us/po ... .html?_r=0
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby The Dharma Bum » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:15 am

they won't advertise any substantial losses, thats for sure
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby eynon81 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:20 am

Interesting they chose to withdraw at all. The "bad guys" have expressed interest in working with us, or at least not killing us.
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby Dylan » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:11 am

eynon81 wrote:Interesting they chose to withdraw at all. The "bad guys" have expressed interest in working with us, or at least not killing us.

It's likely domestic political concerns played into this. President Obama can't afford - politically - to lose any US lives in this region right now.

“It’s a very unstable situation in Yemen,” a U.S. defense official said. “There was no direct threat against these guys, but the security situation had deteriorated to the point where the decision was made that it was time to bring these guys out of there before it got too bad.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-confirm ... 1427046997

Feels like CYA to me.

It's interesting that this is probably the biggest security threat we face today. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy. From NAB's article:

The rapid rise of the Islamic State has commanded the immediate attention of President Obama and other Western leaders in the past year. But American officials say that Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, which includes the most potent bomb maker in the terrorist world, still poses the most direct threat to Americans at home, abroad or aboard commercial aircraft. Since 2009, the United States has thwarted at least three plots by the group to bring down airliners.
So they are, at best, 0/3 in the last 6 years? These guys suck at their job. If I was 0/3 over 6 years I'd be fired.

Compared to the perpetual threat of incineration by Russkie bombs or in the chambers of the Nazis, the Great Depression, WWI, et. al., it's a hell of a time to be alive.
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby NAB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:13 am

Dylan wrote:
eynon81 wrote:Interesting they chose to withdraw at all. The "bad guys" have expressed interest in working with us, or at least not killing us.

It's likely domestic political concerns played into this. President Obama can't afford - politically - to lose any US lives in this region right now.

“It’s a very unstable situation in Yemen,” a U.S. defense official said. “There was no direct threat against these guys, but the security situation had deteriorated to the point where the decision was made that it was time to bring these guys out of there before it got too bad.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-confirm ... 1427046997

Feels like CYA to me.

It's interesting that this is probably the biggest security threat we face today. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy. From NAB's article:

The rapid rise of the Islamic State has commanded the immediate attention of President Obama and other Western leaders in the past year. But American officials say that Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, which includes the most potent bomb maker in the terrorist world, still poses the most direct threat to Americans at home, abroad or aboard commercial aircraft. Since 2009, the United States has thwarted at least three plots by the group to bring down airliners.
So they are, at best, 0/3 in the last 6 years? These guys suck at their job. If I was 0/3 over 6 years I'd be fired.

Compared to the perpetual threat of incineration by Russkie bombs or in the chambers of the Nazis, the Great Depression, WWI, et. al., it's a hell of a time to be alive.


Uttered in a Homeland Security Appropriations Committee: "it takes just once".
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby Dylan » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:16 am

NAB wrote:
Dylan wrote:
eynon81 wrote:Interesting they chose to withdraw at all. The "bad guys" have expressed interest in working with us, or at least not killing us.

It's likely domestic political concerns played into this. President Obama can't afford - politically - to lose any US lives in this region right now.

“It’s a very unstable situation in Yemen,” a U.S. defense official said. “There was no direct threat against these guys, but the security situation had deteriorated to the point where the decision was made that it was time to bring these guys out of there before it got too bad.”


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-confirm ... 1427046997

Feels like CYA to me.

It's interesting that this is probably the biggest security threat we face today. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy. From NAB's article:

The rapid rise of the Islamic State has commanded the immediate attention of President Obama and other Western leaders in the past year. But American officials say that Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen, which includes the most potent bomb maker in the terrorist world, still poses the most direct threat to Americans at home, abroad or aboard commercial aircraft. Since 2009, the United States has thwarted at least three plots by the group to bring down airliners.
So they are, at best, 0/3 in the last 6 years? These guys suck at their job. If I was 0/3 over 6 years I'd be fired.

Compared to the perpetual threat of incineration by Russkie bombs or in the chambers of the Nazis, the Great Depression, WWI, et. al., it's a hell of a time to be alive.


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They continued, "so feed us money and civil liberties so that we may grow up big and strong."
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby NAB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:17 am

Unlimited funding is manna of the gods. Yum.
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby eynon81 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:23 am

9..................................................................................11.



or as war profiteers know it, the best day ever.

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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby NAB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:25 am

eynon81 wrote:9..................................................................................11.



or as war profiteers know it, the best day ever.


You sure 12.......................................7 doesn't trump it? Remember to adjust for inflation.
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Re: Worse than the embassy withdrawal from Yemen

Postby eynon81 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:31 am

NAB wrote:
eynon81 wrote:9..................................................................................11.



or as war profiteers know it, the best day ever.


You sure 12.......................................7 doesn't trump it? Remember to adjust for inflation.


it terms of scale no-doubt, but remember that those profiteers had to produce results.

Also they went after a few of the worst profiteers after the war.

Now they can basically dick around mutter, rail gun, and if the heat gets too intense move to Dubai.
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