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The Shia Militia Question

Postby eynon81 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:30 am

ISIS is on the verge of getting kicked out of Tikrit by the "Iraqi" military, but I want ya'll to take a peak at the government forces being used to take back the city:

Tikrit was overrun by IS last June and several hundred militants are believed to be holding out there.

The pro-government force ranged against them includes about 3,000 Iraqi troops with 20,000 Shia militiamen and a much smaller force of Sunni tribesmen.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31901568

Tikrit is a majority Sunni city, yet the bulk of the fighting is being done my Shia militia, whom outnumber even government troops nearly 7 to 1.

also troubling -
A prominent Iraqi Sunni preacher has urged authorities to prevent Shia militias from carrying out revenge attacks on Sunnis in Saddam Hussein’s hometown as they fight alongside government forces to oust Islamic State extremists.

Sheikh Abdel Sattar Abdul Jabbar cited reports of Shia militiamen burning Sunni homes in the battle to win back Tikrit from Isis, and said that if the government failed to stop revenge attacks the country would face renewed sectarian tensions.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... cks-tikrit

The implications here for Iraq's Sunni Arabs are not good. Stuff like this may force them in the coming months to rally behind ISIS to a greater degree than they have in the past.

also interesting:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/video/fightin ... te-trailer
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby The Dharma Bum » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:16 am

Iran will be the force that defeats Islamic State. These are covert forces imho
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:18 am

All this crap is nothing but gangbanging on a national level.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby Kane » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:03 pm

That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby Dylan » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:31 pm

Kane wrote:That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.

How so? It's more a testament that ISIS planted a f**k ton of bombs and left some dudes behind who are gonna fight to the death.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby The Comrade » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:28 pm

yeah the entire city is basically littered with IEDs and booby traps.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby eynon81 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:33 pm

Dylan wrote:
Kane wrote:That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.

How so? It's more a testament that ISIS planted a f**k ton of bombs and left some dudes behind who are gonna fight to the death.



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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby eynon81 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:35 pm

Kane wrote:That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.



I think the fact the iraqi army was out-numbered 10 to 1 by shia militia is a better indicator the structural weaknesses.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby Kane » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:03 pm

Dylan wrote:
Kane wrote:That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.

How so? It's more a testament that ISIS planted a f**k ton of bombs and left some dudes behind who are gonna fight to the death.


So? I'm not just talking about the siege of Tikrit, I'm talking about its geographic location within Iraq. Tikrit is just north of Baghdad. It's the midpoint between Baghdad and Mosul.

Who still control's Mosul? Once Iraq's 2nd largest city? How long ago was it taken? Why are these forces JUST NOW getting into Tikrit? If you guys think Tikrit is just a slowdown due to those left behind and IEDs everywhere, Mosul will make that look like a cakewalk.
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Re: The Shia Militia Question

Postby Dylan » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:06 pm

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Kane wrote:That they're having this much trouble taking back Tikrit utilizing these forces is a testament to the structural weakness within the Iraqi governing body.

How so? It's more a testament that ISIS planted a f**k ton of bombs and left some dudes behind who are gonna fight to the death.


So? I'm not just talking about the siege of Tikrit, I'm talking about its geographic location within Iraq. Tikrit is just north of Baghdad. It's the midpoint between Baghdad and Mosul.

Who still control's Mosul? Once Iraq's 2nd largest city? How long ago was it taken? Why are these forces JUST NOW getting into Tikrit? If you guys think Tikrit is just a slowdown due to those left behind and IEDs everywhere, Mosul will make that look like a cakewalk.

Oh, yeah no I agree that they've taken way too long to address this shit. But the trouble in Tikrit presently is a tactical issue.

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