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End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Doncorelone » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:32 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -the-union

'No' campaign to offer radical deal as latest figures show 51-49% backing for end of the union


I think the UK is finished as it currently exists, part of me wants the UK to remain as it is, however I'm aware that if a No vote prevails on a knife edge, we'll have a large problem with separatist obstruction for however long there is between another referendum.

What annoys me is that the English public at large are not really bothered about the political ramifications of this in the long term, but I think this will change once the shock of Scotland voting for independence comes about on September 18th.
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Professor » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:35 pm

Is Scotland still part of the UK? Damn, everyone else left the party decades (or centuries) ago!!
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Doncorelone » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:39 pm

What, is Ireland everybody else? Lol
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Professor » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:45 pm

Doncorelone wrote:What, is Ireland everybody else? Lol


Ireland, US, India, etc. That's why I threw "centuries" in there.

Though, if it was just Ireland and Scotland, can 3 countries (really small countries, at that) really be considered a "United Kingdom"? Isn't it more accurate to call them, "A Little Group of Foggy Countries in the North Sea that Used to be Pretty F**king Awesome" ?
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby John Galt » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:49 pm

if No prevails it's a neverendum because No people are only out there because they have to. Yes people are out there trying to get support because they are firey nationalists. if it's not this year, it'll be another year

what will be interesting is the fallout in ireland. if Yes prevails, will eire be united? in wales support for independence is at 10%, even if scotland leaves, but i can imagine the UK losing control of ireland, where irish nationalists control ~40% of NI government seats. and would it light a fire back into other independence movements such as in quebec?

i hope they leave just because i find it interesting and monarchies need to end
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby John Galt » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:51 pm

Professor wrote:
Doncorelone wrote:What, is Ireland everybody else? Lol


Ireland, US, India, etc. That's why I threw "centuries" in there.

Though, if it was just Ireland and Scotland, can 3 countries (really small countries, at that) really be considered a "United Kingdom"? Isn't it more accurate to call them, "A Little Group of Foggy Countries in the North Sea that Used to be Pretty F**king Awesome" ?


well the british commonwealth is 53 nations, and 16 of them grovel to the queen of england
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Doncorelone » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:52 pm

Professor wrote:
Doncorelone wrote:What, is Ireland everybody else? Lol


Ireland, US, India, etc. That's why I threw "centuries" in there.

Though, if it was just Ireland and Scotland, can 3 countries (really small countries, at that) really be considered a "United Kingdom"? Isn't it more accurate to call them, "A Little Group of Foggy Countries in the North Sea that Used to be Pretty F**king Awesome" ?


But they were never part of the UK, except my beloved Ireland.
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby John Galt » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:01 pm

will the name "united kingdom of great britian" be kept if scotland leaves? "united kingdom of england and wales" perhaps is okay. perhaps change to "england". wales was annexed centuries ago anyway.
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Doncorelone » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:08 pm

Yeah UK will still remain, but I'd of preferred Greater England but never mind :p
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Re: End of the UK: Scotland on course to be independent

Postby Professor » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:38 pm

OK, so what's the difference between "United Kingdom", "Great Britain" and "England"?
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