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NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby John Galt » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:50 am

http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-sat ... ine-2014-8

    NATO Just Released Satellite Evidence Russia Is Lying About Invading Ukraine

    NATO released a series of satellite images on Thursday showing what a top general described as "Russian combat soldiers, equipped with sophisticated heavy weaponry, are operating inside Ukraine’s sovereign territory."
    According to a statement posted on the NATO website, the photos "confirmed what NATO and its Allies had been seeing for weeks from other sources." This is a direct contradiction of recent statements made by Kremlin officials and a pro-Russian separatist leader in Ukraine who said all of the Russian troops who had entered the country were on "their vacations" and assisting the separatists on a volunteer basis.


http://www.businessinsider.com/nato-sat ... ine-2014-8

http://usnato.tumblr.com/post/960030861 ... bat-troops

well russia is now on an offensive war to gain territory in europe

will europe even respond?

if crimea was the anschluss is the rest the sudatenland? or will it be danzig?
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby exploited » Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:00 am

Europe may tighten sanctions, or they may not. One thing they won't do is get into a shooting war with Russia. Neither will the US. Why? Because due to these actions, Finland and the rest of the countries neighbouring Russia are going to join NATO. So we'll be making serious strategic gains against Russia, while harming their economy and thus ability to project power, in exchange for Ukraine losing territory that by-and-large doesn't even want to be part of Ukraine anyways.

I do love how you Cold War keyboard commandos are so eager to compare this to WWII though.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Professor » Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:09 am

WWHD? (Godwined, FTW)

That said, good perspective Ex.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Professor » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:46 pm

Well, goddam - credit where credit is due. Everyone is sick of me saying, "Let someone else be the police for a change, and let the US take the backseat." Looks like that's actually happened. And, guess who it is?

It's your neighbors, Ex!!

Canadian fighter jets edge closer to Russia

TTAWA -- Canadian fighter jets will be patrolling the edge of Russian airspace next week as part of NATO's response to the unravelling situation in Ukraine. At least four of the six CF-18s sent overseas by the Harper government earlier this year have arrived at Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania, where they will fly air policing missions over the Baltic states. The formal handover of responsibility is expected to take place early next week.

The Canadian jets will be working alongside fighters from Portugal, Germany and Belgium, which will be carrying out flights from bases in another Baltic state. The missions are meant to reassure European allies unnerved by Russia's seizure of the Crimean Peninsula, as well as the military action currently unfolding in eastern Ukraine. The jets, which had been based in Romania on a training exercise, are tasked with defending Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian airspace because those countries are unable to do so on their own. The deployment comes against the unfolding backdrop of heavy fighting and an apparent Russian invasion, and brings Canadian fighters as close to Russian territory as they've been since the crisis began.


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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Dobby » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:08 pm

There'll absolutely be no military response from any of the European countries. Getting European countries to agree on military action in any country is never going to happen, they all have completely different mindsets. What they do all agree upon (in general) is the EU (a predominantly economic union), so expect more sanctions meaning Russians can no longer by their favourite Italian spaghetti on their supermarket shelves.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby John Galt » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:24 pm

well despite what they claim, the EU != Europe. so europeans can still respond. as in the french and germans could march a show of force over there to stop the advance, short of military engagement. something like that.

or they will do nothing
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Mr.Bill » Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:29 pm

There won't be any military action. But I think over time these sanctions will start to do some pretty serious damage to the Russian economy, which might turn the people, the businesses, and some of the politicians against Putin. . And because of that I think Putin is in a hurry to get his land grabs done.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Spider » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:12 pm

Remains to be seen if its actually land grabs. Consensus seems to be that its a distraction to take pressure off the rebels, who've been gradually losing ground further north. Of course, if Russia is taking chunks off of Eastern Ukraine...well...I called that months ago. Got laughed at, but called it.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby fstarcstar » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:31 pm

No threat will be taken seriously by Putin and Ukraine can't handle open warfare with Russia. It really seems to me that the longer we sit on our thumbs the easier it'll be for Putin to landgrab. I mean, Ukraine is about to get really desperate and I honestly dont think anyone is behind them ready to back them up. Somebody has to take a stand and unfortunately it'll be the US when push comes to shove.
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Re: NATO: russian troops invade ukraine

Postby Professor » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:34 pm

Well, there is something to be said about sanctions. After all, how was the USSR defeated? Not militarily, but because their economy collapsed, forcing change from within.
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