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Postby Saz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:44 am

exploited wrote:Trouble being that Hobby Lobby does not have a sincerely held religious belief against contraceptives. They even admitted this.


Yes but they do against abortion and it's well in line with common religious doctrine that these 4 contraceptives are abortive.
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Postby eynon81 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:55 am

Ex....you keep acting like science is important to the law.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby exploited » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:08 am

Straight up, they argued that these contraceptives were abortive because they go after fertilized eggs. That was literally the central pillar of their argument.

Thing is, that doesn't happen. So the entire basis of their decision simply does not apply to these contraceptives, which makes them just like all the other contraceptives they support.

Its like me saying I don't believe in Procedure A therefore I can't cover Procedure Z. Should have been thrown out and not even considered by the courts.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:09 am

No they didn't. They said it was their religious belief that these contraceptives are abortive.
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Postby exploited » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:11 am

They said it was their religious belief BECAUSE these contraceptives prevented fertilized eggs from reaching the uterus. And that simply is not the case. They do not function like that in the slightest.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:12 am

exploited wrote:They said it was their religious belief BECAUSE these contraceptives prevented fertilized eggs from reaching the uterus. And that simply is not the case. They do not function like that in the slightest.


But that doesn't matter. The point is that it's their religious belief.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby exploited » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:12 am

"In a brief filed with the Supreme Court, the Greens object to covering Plan B, Ella, and IUDs because they claim that these products can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus—a process the Greens consider abortion."

It does matter. Because they stated their beliefs were against abortion, not contraceptives. Thing is, these contraceptives don't abort anything according to Hobby Lobby's own standards.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:14 am

The because is absolutely irrilivant. I don't want to eat pork because the bible says pigs are evil animals. Are pigs factually evil animals? No. But that doesn't mean my religious objection to eating pork isn't protected.
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby exploited » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:15 am

Haha no. That is like saying my religion opposes pork therefore we can't serve fish.

They stated their objections, laid out why they object, and yet none of these objections has anything to do with these four contraceptives. It should have been thrown out. They might as well have said "We don't believe in committing perjury therefore we can't provide these contraceptives."
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Re: Businesses have religious liberty....

Postby Saz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:18 am

exploited wrote:Haha no. That is like saying my religion opposes pork therefore we can't serve fish.


Again, that wouldn't matter. If my religion opposes pork, and I sincerely believe that fish is a type of pork, then my right to not eat fish is protected. Now this is a bit more of a stretch, since Christian doctrine hasn't really recognized a fish as a form of pork. But Christian doctrine has supported the idea that these contraceptives are abortive. So even if they are not actually abortive in fact, the religious belief that they are is not questioned.
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