TRUMP continues quest to Make America Great Again

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[Spider]

What's troubling is that those who did vote voted Trump more than any other candidate. By a fairly wide margin. People who didn't vote don't factor into this.

[Spider]

[exploited]

The fascinating thing is that you have so many people disgusted by Trump, but all of them are completely oblivious to how politics actually work. They'll say stuff like "I don't give much of a damn if it's Rubio, Sanders or Clinton (Editors Note: this is a left-leaning moderate)." They'll drone on endlessly about political reality, as if political reality isn't the sum of millions of individual actions, but is instead some innate thing that exists smack dab in the middle of left and right. "Sanders can't win the election," as they jerk off their moderate dicks. "Trump isn't electable," as they stuff so many fingers into their giant gaping vagina.

Look at the problems facing the entire world. Look at them. They are huge, infinitely complex, and far beyond the scope of anybody who wants to form an action committee and discuss things like adults. You aren't going to solve global warming by working with industry and environmental NGOs. You aren't going to fix the immigration system by creating "pathways" to citizenship. You aren't going to make the political finance system work by saying no super-PACs. We are in an age where things are changing so fast that it is literally impossible to come to a consensus before the problem has already fully manifested. The only possible way to fix things is to take risks, and here we have the United States about to elect Clinton, Canada re-electing the Liberals, and the UK reverting back to your basic English disdain for "the others" (be it other Europeans, or the Muslim Menace).

Basically, the real problem is moderates. The people who think that the Western world is going to move forward by cautiously assessing the situation, developing a fool-proof plan, and than executing when the time is right. It's insane. Sometimes you have to pick a side, and go hard at it. Imagine where Facebook would be if Zuckerberg carefully assessed the benefits of privacy v. profitability. Or if Google thought real hard about big data and what it might lead too. Or if Musk said "You know what, it's pretty goddamn risky to try this whole reentry thing." We are on the cusp of the single greatest evolutionary period in all of human history, and still you have all these f**k retards thinking that what is going to save the day is the standard protestant work ethic - careful consideration, careful planning, careful action.

If Trump or Sanders becomes President, at the very least you'll see action. Real action. It might be stupid or disastrous, but it will be an attempt - and that attempt will achieve far more than a billion Clinton's or Rubio's ever could, right or wrong.

[Spider]

^Mostly incorrect. Obviously you're still stinging.

Already covered most of this months Its speaks to basic logical failings of your entire philosophy. That being that YOU and those who think in your mode are the biggest barriers to real and lasting change that we have to overcome:

Basically, the rejection of the middle ground is just another way of describing a demand for ideological purity. And a foundation for fascism. You're starting to fall in line with hard right nutjobs who want a theocratic state that would rule with the flaming sword of Godly Vengeance. You love change when its the change you want. But what about the people who don't agree with you? How are you planning on silencing them, since you aren't willing to compromise? How are you planning on responding when the change is against you?

The reason we find compromises, the reason we have intentionally designed an adversarial political system designed to force the development of those compromises, is that when you've got a whole bunch of black and white, the only thing that's going to be at least somewhat acceptable to both is some kind of a shade of grey.

You want to just delete the other side of that gradient and find a pure product that you find appealing, and simply write off the dissenters. It doesn't work that way. Politics doesn't work that way. Life doesn't work that way.

There are situations that demand immediate, draconian change...if the people are of that opinion. Not just a few who want to just make it happen right now and to hell with everyone else because they're childish and have no attention span, demanding instant gratification. Change for change's sake, as opposed to rationality. Impulse over reason.

More generally though, change must be gradual. Its entirely fruitless to pretend that gigantic sweeping reforms that run contrary to entrenched political, sociological, and ideological structures are going to actually happen. Conservatism, in its most basic breakdown, amounts to a fundamental and un-moving resistance to change. That's really what its all about. And, conservatism is half of the equation. So...we have to deal with this inescapable reality. Unless you want to go down the already mentioned fascist dictator route. If I had a magic wand...damn. I'd go through and cause a reordering of society so immediate and severe that I think a million people would probable stroke out in rage and drop dead.

But, we don't have magic wands, so this obvious wishful thinking is just that.

The reality, despite your obliviousness to it, is that I'm interested in change that is possible. Change that can actually come to pass in some sort of realistic time frame. Change that can be real, lasting, and meaningful.

You, on the other hand, constantly seem to be demanding change that is fantasy. Change that is politically, socially, or fiscally impossible. You aren't interested in change...you are interested in pontificating about ideologically pure ideals that make you feel good. You aren't interested in actual possibilities. That would be too hard. Easier to demand implausibilities and decry those actually doing something useful.

Don't talk to me about the status quo unless your willing to actually support changing it. Because people like you, demanding all the marbles, are the primary thing holding up defeating that status quo. You people are the problem.

Join us over here in the pro-change camp, Ex. Don't be a poser.

Oh. And as for your apparent belief that the office of the POTUS will magically be empowered to make radical things happen against the wishes of the government and the people...sorry. It simply doesn't work that way. This is grade 10 stuff, Ex.

I support Sanders not because I think he can actually raise taxes to the order of trillions and give everyone free tuition while breaking up the banks, and I reject Trump not because I think he can actually build a thousand mile fortified wall and deport millions of people. None of that is going to happen, in either case. Best to not drink that koolaid.

[exploited]

We are truly f**k as a species, and Spider just proved it.

[Spider]

Oh I agree we're f**k. Its because of people like you that we can't get anything sorted out. YOU are the goddamn roadblock to human progress.

[The Comrade]

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[Spider]

lol.

Honestly, people. C'mon!

wtf has this place come to?

[Medius]

Doing something, for the sole sake of not doing nothing is idiocy. There are times where a situation demands drastic action, because the place you are at is too untenable. That is very rare. Most of the a situation needs incremental improvement, not a flaming bat of liberalocity or a majestic hammer of conservatarianism.

By reaching way past the goal and into the deep nethers of discomfort for the opposing side, you don't win. You just prime up the backlash, rather than making a change that likely, everyone will get comfortable with and move on from.