She's Almost Gone....... Forever!

[Mogli]

[Mogli]

accidental duplicate.

[Mogli]

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

[The Dharma Bum]

Someone invariably starts freaking out and saying it's evil or godless or whatever.

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[Mogli]

[The Dharma Bum]

If there is a true capitalism then the US political economy exemplifies it. The idea that "real capitalism" is being suppressed is a common perspective among US style libertarians and free marketeers.

But that is less than informed because if you take the writings of people like Adam Smith, Thomas, Paine, Thomas Jefferson etc you will find that they actually advocate a system very much like the one proposed by libertarian socialism.

Like I said, that perspective is the result of social conditioning in favor of capitalism and against communism. When people start really thinking about this stuff they find out their assumptions don't really fit the reality of the situation. Usually people with a rightist outlook try to justify the cognitive dissonance between what they believe about the world and our society and the truth about it as understood by an educated person. This come out as a host of conspiracy theories, usually.

No, communism and collectivism are not bad. Statism/capitalism (one and the same) are the unsustainable system you noticed.

However I'm not trying to tell you how to think. I gave you some links to some good intellectual material about the subject because I want you to read and explore and find out the truth for yourself by educating yourself in the subject of political economy.

Welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy it as much I have have over the last 10 years.

Here's a good start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

[The Dharma Bum]

Do you think people working together is bad? Of course it isn't. And since this is exactly what collectivism is then it isn't bad either.

We are taught in our society to each be an "individual", but what is really meant by that is they you will be taught a lot of junk that will prevent you from being able to reason at a high enough level to organize effectively enough to protect yourself from predation.

You have heard the term "divide and conquer", no? Well there it is. In capitalism the people are looked at as a resource to be controlled and exploited. Prey. Collectivism is merely the herd instinct that humans have to protect themselves from predators.How is that bad in any way?

Obama is no different from George Bush or any other politician. Forget that junk.