The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby The Dude » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:36 pm

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The Comrade wrote:yeah i have to say, the idea sounds good, but if i was forced into 2 years of service i would be such a shit all the time and would have either gone to a different country or found a way to get forced out of it.


This right here exemplifies the Millennial generation and what they're made of. A whole lot of failure.


If only Millenials were as brave as the Vietnam War Draftees.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby eric » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:00 pm

The Dude wrote:
jimmyz wrote:
The Comrade wrote:yeah i have to say, the idea sounds good, but if i was forced into 2 years of service i would be such a shit all the time and would have either gone to a different country or found a way to get forced out of it.


This right here exemplifies the Millennial generation and what they're made of. A whole lot of failure.


If only Millenials were as brave as the Vietnam War Draftees.


Could you imagine the audacity of the millennials to actually volunteer to fight wars?
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Hyperion » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:51 pm

Public service should be tied to graduation requirements for secondary school instead. Some schools already practice this routine and it is an immense benefit to the majority of students. One school I interned at required about 30 different hours a year, and each year the category of assistance had to be different. Kids worked in homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, and even city jails. Wish more big-whig politicians had that experience growing up around "welfare queens."
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Candace » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:30 am

Isn't getting more bodies into the military without a draft what dismantling the safety net is for? Limit choices for those who already have so few but whose life could also help an agenda, making money for someone somewhere.

The economy is horrible, everything is so bleak, society is ashamed of you for needing help especially if you get it from the state-without being trained to kill in other countries.If you need assistance go to church and/or join the military, then you can respect yourself because we will.

Like Islam is used to persuade some Muslims to fight whoever is deemed the enemy of those in power and point at someone other than themselves to blame for their problems that society is told to be ashamed of them for so does corporate, pro-military mass communications network falsely connect popular American values (depending on the audience will also call them Christian) to the choices they want you to make which these same people/their sponsors want you to think of as namby pamby enabling left wing themes outside of the church or military.
Why does the government need to raise adults again?

If we went mandatory for national service, the only choices 18-20 yr olds would have for the real world experience and to nobly help and protect the American people to make better Americans would be what branch of the military they wanted to join. Then there would probably be programs created in elementary school and junior high to help prepare you for mandatory time, similar to tests.

Moms aren't going to have any say in changing that. All communication is watched, right? you can protest all you want, unless its decided you're more useful making money for some private jail but if it doesn't get on tv or the internet, it also doesn't exist.

Not meaning to ascribe any intent to the op with this reply but what I wrote is what it made me think of, so I disagree.

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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Libertarian602 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:08 pm

Meh, no thanks.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Homer » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:53 am

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Professor wrote:
Leviathan wrote:From the ages of 18-20, every US citizen should be required to perform mandatory national service, either military or civilian. Agree, or Disagree? If agree, what would your MNS program look like?


If it's mandatory, isn't this little more than a make-work situation like we had under Roosevelt?


Different intent. The main benefits as I see it would be getting all americans real world exposure before they make decisions regarding college, to expose all elements of american society to each other, the rest of the country and the outside world, and to give young individuals practical training they may be able to use in the civilian workforce.

So yea, we make them work in the Military, Peace Corps, Americrops, whatever. They have some life experience before making life altering decisions on careers and college, they are mixed in with rich poor black white english spanish north southern urban rural kids and perhaps gain some perspective and understanding, and they learn to fix humvees or computers or language or something that makes them more productive in their later careers.

USA gets BUFF military which goes to war less cause all moms won't stand for that when Jonny is in the army. We have more productive citizens with a common cultural bond (their 2 year service). Kids are more mature and have more experience making decisions about going to college and what they want to do in life.


Since when is being in the military real world experience?? I can't think of anything which is less representative of the real world.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Homer » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:02 am

eynon81 wrote:
Homer wrote:
Leviathan wrote:
Professor wrote:
Leviathan wrote:From the ages of 18-20, every US citizen should be required to perform mandatory national service, either military or civilian. Agree, or Disagree? If agree, what would your MNS program look like?


If it's mandatory, isn't this little more than a make-work situation like we had under Roosevelt?


Different intent. The main benefits as I see it would be getting all americans real world exposure

What the hell is real world about being in the military? And mi also think the idea that everyone would be better citizens as a result is naive. Countryside which have mandatory service don't appear any more united than countries that don't. andatory service? No thanks.


Scandinavian countries, the Swiss and Israel seem pretty united to me.

also real world military experience = a job with working hours.


Nah. Real world = a civilian job where you can go home at the end of your shift, where you can choose to leave and find a new job. In other words, not like the military.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby eynon81 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:08 am

Homer wrote:Nah. Real world = a civilian job where you can go home at the end of your shift, where you can choose to leave and find a new job. In other words, not like the military.


the majority of military personal can go home at the end of a shift.

the majority of civilian employees can't afford to leave their current jobs.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby HBX » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:48 am

Leviathan wrote:From the ages of 18-20, every US citizen should be required to perform mandatory national service, either military or civilian. Agree, or Disagree? If agree, what would your MNS program look like?
I disagree because I oppose slavery. I think slavery is an egregious violation of human rights.
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Re: The US should have 2 year mandatory national service

Postby Chesty Puller » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:13 pm

eynon81 wrote:
Homer wrote:Nah. Real world = a civilian job where you can go home at the end of your shift, where you can choose to leave and find a new job. In other words, not like the military.


the majority of military personal can go home at the end of a shift.

the majority of civilian employees can't afford to leave their current jobs.


Both true. But military personal don't even have the option to leave their current jobs. And trust me, that option makes a world of difference.

On the initial post topic, I have this to say:

Mandatory service, like most issues, has both both pros and cons. As a veteran, I can say that I would not want draftees in the military, as they would degrade the quality of the services. When (such as during WWII) they're needed, they're needed and the desire for quality recruits takes a back seat to the need for warm bodies. That said, unwilling recruits are detrimental to morale and overall force readiness. On the other hand, I think that national service provides invaluable exposure to fellow citizens from across the country, and promotes a sense of national identity. I met more people from other regions in the Marine Corps than I ever would have otherwise. Far too many Americans go their entire lives without interacting with people from other parts of the country, much less become close friends with them. Mandatory public service could also provide Americans with a shared experience, something which helps people to relate to one another and overcome their ideological differences.
There are also more practical benefits, not least of which being additional manpower for organizations such as the American Red Cross. On a related note, I believe that there would be great value in reviving the WPA; both to combat unemployment and to update our crumbling infrastructure.

Ultimately, I'm not sure whether the benefits of mandatory national service outweigh the compromise of liberty. A draft of any kind is barely spitting distance away from indentured servitude, which is little more than temporary slavery.
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