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A note to ALL of us - including myself

Postby Luke Skywalker » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:14 pm

I'm sometimes wrong and I'll be the first to call myself on it when I am. I've been guilty (at various times) of calling certain Democrats and Republicans crazy myself. The following article just nails it (and, after carefully perusing it) - I'm never going to call anyone crazy ever again.

The solution (like I emphasized in another thread) is understanding (along with compassion, of course). I'm going to seek to do that going forward myself. We can, after all, be part of the solution - or continue to perpetuate the problem. Love Trumps Hate - and, sometimes, in the heat of battle - even this seeker of "Christ consciousness" forgets that.

Time for a break for me; be back when the time is right. Thanks.

Mental Health Stigma: The Week Washington Erupted
By Mary Giliberti, J.D. | Aug. 03, 2017

When former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci’s remarks called President Trump’s now-departed chief of staff Reince Priebus a “paranoid schizophrenic,” prefaced by profanity, he was widely condemned for his malicious vulgarity—and properly so.

Much attention focused on the crudeness of his remarks, but less so the implications of the “paranoid schizophrenic” part of his outburst. Use of a medical diagnosis for political mud-slinging exploits the prejudice and stigma that traditionally has surrounded mental illness. Unfortunately, it is a reflection of a much deeper problem.

Almost 20 years ago, the landmark U.S. Surgeon Mental Health Report identified a key public health problem; stigma discourages many people from seeking help when they need it. It also deters our investment as a society in the mental health care system.

Less than 48 hours after Mr. Scaramucci’s quote became news, a syndicated Washington Post columnist fed the flames by asking satirically, “What do we do if the President is really crazy?” The column was peppered with slang such as “nutter,” “barking mad,” “mad as a March hare,” “off his rocker” and “a few fries short of a Happy Meal.” It recounted advice from mental health organizations on how to address mental illness as a way to mock the President. We expect more from leading journalists and their editors in setting tones that influence public perceptions and attitudes.

Stigma is non-partisan. Democrats and Republicans alike perpetuate it. During the 2016 Democratic primaries Senator Bernie Sanders joked: “When you watch these Republican debates, you know why we need to invest a lot in mental health.” It was the type of joke that both used stigma for a laugh and trivialized serious illnesses like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Such remarks denigrate the achievements of many individuals who have struggled with such illnesses. Those with schizophrenia have included Nobel Prize-winning economist John Nash and law professor Elyn Saks, winner of a MacArthur Foundation “genius grant.” They also are insensitive to the many families who have, or have had, loved ones with the illness—including Nobel Prize winner Dr. James Watson, who co-discovered the double-helix structure of DNA and actor Alan Alda.

Perhaps most perniciously, they discourage young people from getting help at a time when science is telling us that early intervention in schizophrenia is critical to achieving better outcomes.

Mental illness does not discriminate. It affects Republican and Democrat families. Ironically, the week’s stigma eruptions happened during the week of the Senate’s vote on a health care bill that would have cut billions of dollars from Medicaid—the program that is the lifeline for millions of people with mental illness.

More than 2 million adults have schizophrenia. The average age of onset tends to be in the late teens to early 20s for men and the late 20s to early 30s for women. It does not mean that a person has a "split" or multiple personalities. Instead of slang, wisecracks, and jokes, we need leaders willing to educate national, state and local communities about effective public policy solutions.

Investment in mental health services and supports is needed. Early intervention programs for young people experiencing psychosis need to be expanded. Support for scientific research through the National Institute of Mental Health is essential. Housing, jail diversion and employment programs are also needed.

Go to any jail or homeless shelter in America and you will quickly realize that these are serious illnesses that deserve serious responses. To address the stigma that erupted in Washington, D.C. last week, Scaramucci should directly apologize for his harmful and stigmatizing comments. Perhaps Scaramucci’s successor, politicians from both parties and members of the press could visit community mental health clinics, early intervention programs, a recovery clubhouse, and research centers to get a better understanding of these issues. This would go a long way in educating the American people and helping to eliminate stigma. It is time to get out of the partisan gutter and elevate the public dialogue on mental illness.


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Re: A note to ALL of us - including myself

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:54 am

Would you consider excessive greed /corruption a form of mental illness ?
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Re: A note to ALL of us - including myself

Postby Luke Skywalker » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:29 pm

spacemonkey wrote:Would you consider excessive greed /corruption a form of mental illness ?


Not necessarily, no.

Greed (in and of itself) is bad and sinful, yes. Selfish and self-centered? Absolutely. But (provided the person is not breaking any laws), not necessarily "criminal or mentally ill." Just my opinion on this. Personally, I hate greedy people. But judge them, I will not. Mind you, it is of my opinion that we are all greedy to a certain extent - whether we want a little more of this and that (be it lots of money, women, booze, power, prestige, etc.). It is human nature to be greedy to some extent, but not ALL greedy people are insane or criminals.

Corruption, I would put in a different category, though. Some corrupt people could be mentally ill, but (generally speaking) I would refer to them as criminals. Take Hillary, just as an example. Personally, I believe the Clintons are corrupt, AND greedy (power hungry people, for instance). Proving it (like in a court of law), on the other hand, is a different story. That is why they are still walking around free. But that is why, anyway, I voted for Trump. I never liked the Clintons and always believed they should be investigated (to say the least). That is all I have to say about this - I won't offer any further comment right now.

I just refuse to call anyone (Hillary, Trump or anyone else on the right or left) crazy at this point. Doing that just feeds the stigma of mental illness. Furthermore, calling someone crazy (at least to me, ESPECIALLY when that "crazy" person does in fact suffer from a mental illness) is like calling a black person the N word. That is the point of my OP. I know there has been some speculation from certain doctors that Trump may have a mental disorder. Personally, IF I were a psychiatrist, I would find it unethical to offer an arm chair diagnoses of a sitting president. Last I checked, doctors aren't really supposed to do that (no matter HOW strongly their opinions may be), because it would be (well) unethical.

I could write more, but I have to go now.

Anyway,

Hope that answers your question.
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Re: A note to ALL of us - including myself

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:26 am

Luke Skywalker wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:Would you consider excessive greed /corruption a form of mental illness ?


Not necessarily, no.

Greed (in and of itself) is bad and sinful, yes. Selfish and self-centered? Absolutely. But (provided the person is not breaking any laws), not necessarily "criminal or mentally ill." Just my opinion on this. Personally, I hate greedy people. But judge them, I will not. Mind you, it is of my opinion that we are all greedy to a certain extent - whether we want a little more of this and that (be it lots of money, women, booze, power, prestige, etc.). It is human nature to be greedy to some extent, but not ALL greedy people are insane or criminals.

Corruption, I would put in a different category, though. Some corrupt people could be mentally ill, but (generally speaking) I would refer to them as criminals. Take Hillary, just as an example. Personally, I believe the Clintons are corrupt, AND greedy (power hungry people, for instance). Proving it (like in a court of law), on the other hand, is a different story. That is why they are still walking around free. But that is why, anyway, I voted for Trump. I never liked the Clintons and always believed they should be investigated (to say the least). That is all I have to say about this - I won't offer any further comment right now.

I just refuse to call anyone (Hillary, Trump or anyone else on the right or left) crazy at this point. Doing that just feeds the stigma of mental illness. Furthermore, calling someone crazy (at least to me, ESPECIALLY when that "crazy" person does in fact suffer from a mental illness) is like calling a black person the N word. That is the point of my OP. I know there has been some speculation from certain doctors that Trump may have a mental disorder. Personally, IF I were a psychiatrist, I would find it unethical to offer an arm chair diagnoses of a sitting president. Last I checked, doctors aren't really supposed to do that (no matter HOW strongly their opinions may be), because it would be (well) unethical.

I could write more, but I have to go now.

Anyway,

Hope that answers your question.

So mental illness ebbs and flows with the laws we create?
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