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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby battleax86 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:45 pm

Saz wrote:
battleax86 wrote:It was actually 400,000 Germans for both. I'm not sure why the Wikipedia article for the Invasion of Normandy cuts off casualties at July 24th. The Operation Overlord page runs casualties through August 30th.


It was not.

First of all you completely ignored an additional 400,000 Axis casualties at Stalingrad. Romanians, Italians, Hungarians. Second, half the german "casualties" in normandy were POWs, the vast majority of whom made it home. Meanwhile, the germans sent some 400k men to Stalingrad, about 5000 of whom came back alive. that's a staggering difference. The battle of normandy was simply no where near the sort of carnage that stalingrad was. More men died fighting over single buildings in that city than were lost in the fall of france.

Not sure why the POW category seems less significant to you. A surrendered soldier is, for all intents and purposes, dead to his own side. The effect on German forces, whether most of their casualties were dead or captured, was the same.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby eynon81 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:47 am

battleax86 wrote:
Saz wrote:
battleax86 wrote:It was actually 400,000 Germans for both. I'm not sure why the Wikipedia article for the Invasion of Normandy cuts off casualties at July 24th. The Operation Overlord page runs casualties through August 30th.


It was not.

First of all you completely ignored an additional 400,000 Axis casualties at Stalingrad. Romanians, Italians, Hungarians. Second, half the german "casualties" in normandy were POWs, the vast majority of whom made it home. Meanwhile, the germans sent some 400k men to Stalingrad, about 5000 of whom came back alive. that's a staggering difference. The battle of normandy was simply no where near the sort of carnage that stalingrad was. More men died fighting over single buildings in that city than were lost in the fall of france.

Not sure why the POW category seems less significant to you. A surrendered soldier is, for all intents and purposes, dead to his own side. The effect on German forces, whether most of their casualties were dead or captured, was the same.



post war had a big impact. the millions of germans we had in custody after the war were treated ok, taught english and sent home....to become good west germans.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby Libertarian602 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:43 am

battleax86 wrote:
Saz wrote:
battleax86 wrote:It was actually 400,000 Germans for both. I'm not sure why the Wikipedia article for the Invasion of Normandy cuts off casualties at July 24th. The Operation Overlord page runs casualties through August 30th.


It was not.

First of all you completely ignored an additional 400,000 Axis casualties at Stalingrad. Romanians, Italians, Hungarians. Second, half the german "casualties" in normandy were POWs, the vast majority of whom made it home. Meanwhile, the germans sent some 400k men to Stalingrad, about 5000 of whom came back alive. that's a staggering difference. The battle of normandy was simply no where near the sort of carnage that stalingrad was. More men died fighting over single buildings in that city than were lost in the fall of france.

Not sure why the POW category seems less significant to you. A surrendered soldier is, for all intents and purposes, dead to his own side. The effect on German forces, whether most of their casualties were dead or captured, was the same.

Funny thing about POW status, is that a captured soldier is a loss for his side, since that's one less man to fight for them. That very same POW, may be one less man for his enemy to fight, but he's also a burden on his captors. It takes men to guard that POW, and provisions to care for that POW.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby eynon81 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:37 am

Libertarian602 wrote:
battleax86 wrote:
Saz wrote:
battleax86 wrote:It was actually 400,000 Germans for both. I'm not sure why the Wikipedia article for the Invasion of Normandy cuts off casualties at July 24th. The Operation Overlord page runs casualties through August 30th.


It was not.

First of all you completely ignored an additional 400,000 Axis casualties at Stalingrad. Romanians, Italians, Hungarians. Second, half the german "casualties" in normandy were POWs, the vast majority of whom made it home. Meanwhile, the germans sent some 400k men to Stalingrad, about 5000 of whom came back alive. that's a staggering difference. The battle of normandy was simply no where near the sort of carnage that stalingrad was. More men died fighting over single buildings in that city than were lost in the fall of france.

Not sure why the POW category seems less significant to you. A surrendered soldier is, for all intents and purposes, dead to his own side. The effect on German forces, whether most of their casualties were dead or captured, was the same.

Funny thing about POW status, is that a captured soldier is a loss for his side, since that's one less man to fight for them. That very same POW, may be one less man for his enemy to fight, but he's also a burden on his captors. It takes men to guard that POW, and provisions to care for that POW.



not so much during WW2....they provided ballast for ships going back across the pond and then worked to help the war effort. A few Germans worked on my great-grand-dad's ranch in Canada.....hey boys you get to be real cowboys! (evil grin)

crippling an enemy soldier....now that's the ticket.
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Re: The World Wars on the History Channel

Postby exploited » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:05 am

eynon81 wrote:
Libertarian602 wrote:
battleax86 wrote:
Saz wrote:
battleax86 wrote:It was actually 400,000 Germans for both. I'm not sure why the Wikipedia article for the Invasion of Normandy cuts off casualties at July 24th. The Operation Overlord page runs casualties through August 30th.


It was not.

First of all you completely ignored an additional 400,000 Axis casualties at Stalingrad. Romanians, Italians, Hungarians. Second, half the german "casualties" in normandy were POWs, the vast majority of whom made it home. Meanwhile, the germans sent some 400k men to Stalingrad, about 5000 of whom came back alive. that's a staggering difference. The battle of normandy was simply no where near the sort of carnage that stalingrad was. More men died fighting over single buildings in that city than were lost in the fall of france.

Not sure why the POW category seems less significant to you. A surrendered soldier is, for all intents and purposes, dead to his own side. The effect on German forces, whether most of their casualties were dead or captured, was the same.

Funny thing about POW status, is that a captured soldier is a loss for his side, since that's one less man to fight for them. That very same POW, may be one less man for his enemy to fight, but he's also a burden on his captors. It takes men to guard that POW, and provisions to care for that POW.



not so much during WW2....they provided ballast for ships going back across the pond and then worked to help the war effort. A few Germans worked on my great-grand-dad's ranch in Canada.....hey boys you get to be real cowboys! (evil grin)

crippling an enemy soldier....now that's the ticket.


They got paid pretty well for that work, I might add. I mean nowhere close to market wages but they got canteen money. A lot of POWs said it was a great time.
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