Minorities in Medieval Europe

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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby Esin » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:46 am

I am familiar with the Alans but they might be a little difficult to differentiate from the Khazars in a meaningful way... although I could certainly have a group that's allied as a junior to the Kingdom of Tengria in the same way the Alans were associated with the Khazars.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:10 am

Imo, the gaps in human history are pretty interesting. For us and our history that goes back a few thousand years, the dark ages was a big blank spot. What about the gap back to the pyramids and earlier? A new discovery in Turkey (Gobeckli Tepe) is estimated to be about 10-15 thousand years old.Its like mankind has many chapters in their past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby Esin » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:22 am

Fascinating :D - While admittedly there is a lot we don't know/that has been lost due to lack written documentation, we know a lot more than we get credit for I think. We actually know quite a bit about the dark ages, the idea that we don't mostly stems from Renaissance writers who had a VERY dim view of the middle ages and wanted to differentiate themselves from it by casting a dark a shade on it as possible. Admittedly life during that period was worse than during Roman periods & much knowledge was lost (at least to Europe, much of the information lived on in the Byzantine Empire and further East among Muslim populations, and was eventually brought back to Europe at least in part due to increased exposure to middle eastern culture due to the crusades.

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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:33 am

Sometimes I think we're getting close to another gap. Hope not though. Just a big hit to the grid would put us in a bad way fairly fast.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby eynon81 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:14 pm

PoS wrote:The Picts in Scotland would be cool too.


Scotti were here, Picts be small-time.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby eynon81 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:21 pm

spacemonkey wrote:Imo, the gaps in human history are pretty interesting. For us and our history that goes back a few thousand years, the dark ages was a big blank spot. What about the gap back to the pyramids and earlier? A new discovery in Turkey (Gobeckli Tepe) is estimated to be about 10-15 thousand years old.Its like mankind has many chapters in their past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe


http://www.cracked.com/article_20615_5- ... -ages.html

fun read. Dark ages may not have been as dark as people think. There wasn't as much wealth around as during the High Middle Ages (those cats may have been wealthier than the Romans), but many parts of Europe were relatively mellow during that time period. One reason the Vikings rolled the Brits and Celts so hard was they had forgotten how to fight good.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby eynon81 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:29 pm

Esin wrote:Fascinating :D - While admittedly there is a lot we don't know/that has been lost due to lack written documentation, we know a lot more than we get credit for I think. We actually know quite a bit about the dark ages, the idea that we don't mostly stems from Renaissance writers who had a VERY dim view of the middle ages and wanted to differentiate themselves from it by casting a dark a shade on it as possible. Admittedly life during that period was worse than during Roman periods & much knowledge was lost (at least to Europe, much of the information lived on in the Byzantine Empire and further East among Muslim populations, and was eventually brought back to Europe at least in part due to increased exposure to middle eastern culture due to the crusades.


verily. A lot of that was due to the ignorance of our early modern scholars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini

This guy went to England after he lost his job with the Pope, while there he found the English miserably uncultured because he couldn't find any books older than 400 years. If he had bothered to do a bit more homework he may have found out the reason was that the Norse had burnt most of the libraries in the British Ises 400 years earlier. Prior to that Greater Britain was Western Europe's foremost center of education and scholarship.

Also due in most part to modern bias Poland does not get credit as being one of the foremost centers of learning and intellectual freedom in the late middle-ages/early modern era. They created a vast constitutional republic that was, for the time, incredibly liberal.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby eynon81 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:38 pm

spacemonkey wrote:Sometimes I think we're getting close to another gap. Hope not though. Just a big hit to the grid would put us in a bad way fairly fast.


(shrug)

the last "dark age" broke the stagnation of the classical world and created the modern.

innovation and invention during this period, especially on a practical level, is greatly undervalued.

the Western Civilization that emerged from the dark ages was stronger and wealthier than the one that went in.
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Re: Minorities in Medieval Europe

Postby Esin » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:09 am

Kalderash would also be a good name for the Gypsy population (it is an actual sub-tribal name within the Roma community centering around Ukraine region.)

Another name it would be fun to incorporate is Banderovyets a Russian slur used to describe Ukrainians after Ukrainian Nationalist/WWII Partisan Stepan Bandera.
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