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2nd American Civil War

Postby Demosthenes » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:22 pm

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/1 ... d_war.html

"These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.

After the breakup, many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military (i.e.) military bases, and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term, we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities"


Interesting write up that deals with a potential civil war. So what do you think would it play out as such or do you disagree?
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby Medius » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:26 pm

Pretty much spot on with my assessment in a prior thread on this topic. Texas would sweep the midwest. Short of the nice tidy treaty at the end of the article, I think whoever holds the midwest is going to win the long-game. Food, nukes, and less population to carry through the extremely lean times that would occur if our food distribution network were to be disrupted for a lengthy period of time.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby Demosthenes » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:31 pm

See I feel like Virginia could be the sleeper, if they were to manage to get a good chunk of the eastern seaboard specifically New York they could do some damage. DC and the financial capital would allow them to form the basis of the second union. **== **==
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby Stratego » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:20 pm

Yossarian wrote:Cali would destroy all you omega-states. We have the most diverse and prosperous economy and the smartest minds over here.


California also would have a bottleneck in terms of where they can send troops out.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby Medius » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:18 am

Economy would be meaningless until there is stability. It would be all about resources for the majority of the initial conflict. Those with the highest population density will be in the worst position as they deal with the logistics of feeding all those people.

Many states don't even produce their own power, so they will be significantly behind the curve. The only self-sustaining power grid I'm aware of is Texas.

California would have to take some states quick to keep the water flowing.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby Winchester » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:06 am

Medius wrote:Economy would be meaningless until there is stability. It would be all about resources for the majority of the initial conflict. Those with the highest population density will be in the worst position as they deal with the logistics of feeding all those people.

Many states don't even produce their own power, so they will be significantly behind the curve. The only self-sustaining power grid I'm aware of is Texas.

California would have to take some states quick to keep the water flowing.


That's what I was thinking, they better secure the Hoover dam asap.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby J.K. Gregg » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:36 am

Yossarian wrote:Cali would destroy all you omega-states. We have the most diverse and prosperous economy and the smartest minds over here.
Are you kidding me? We are the softest group of progressive liberals you've ever seen. This state would cave by a nipple twist alone.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby exploited » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:25 am

A group of evil tyrants modeled after Caesars Legion would take everything on that side of the Colorado River. They would be held in check only by a democratic government formed out of California, possibly called the New California Republic. The NCR would seize Hoover Dam and try to hold it. Both of them are susceptible to the threat posed by one wronged courier and his floating robot friend.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby NAB » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:30 am

Medius wrote:Pretty much spot on with my assessment in a prior thread on this topic. Texas would sweep the midwest. Short of the nice tidy treaty at the end of the article, I think whoever holds the midwest is going to win the long-game. Food, nukes, and less population to carry through the extremely lean times that would occur if our food distribution network were to be disrupted for a lengthy period of time.


Texas would then sweep north into Canada and seize their coal sands and farms.

Flyover states? How about Flyover Empire®.
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Re: 2nd American Civil War

Postby exploited » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:37 am

NAB wrote:
Medius wrote:Pretty much spot on with my assessment in a prior thread on this topic. Texas would sweep the midwest. Short of the nice tidy treaty at the end of the article, I think whoever holds the midwest is going to win the long-game. Food, nukes, and less population to carry through the extremely lean times that would occur if our food distribution network were to be disrupted for a lengthy period of time.


Texas would then sweep north into Canada and seize their coal sands and farms.

Flyover states? How about Flyover Empire®.


Bad choice Texas. Why would you want to make enemies with 30,000,000 people with the capacity, wealth and technology required to crush you? Particularly considering we are still part of the Empire, whose support would be a massive plus for any one particular group?

Makes no sense.
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