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Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby mjpc88 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:59 pm

The elders of the Republican Party have done absolutely nothing to uphold or ensure civic virtue. Instead, they've portrayed the principled youth as being liberals themselves as if graceful decency is hypersensitivity. They've likewise fallen for the humor and charisma of the political opposition only to get duped by two-faced role reversals.

The elders of the GOP have absolutely no idea what in the world is going on, but more importantly, they don't care. They just want to ride off into the sunset before things go crazy, passing away and having nothing to do with the future. Trump hasn't helped this either since his antics, ranting, and tantrum throwing are absolutely pointless. He gives people a cop out for not having to handle the situation with the delicate yet decisive touch it needs, letting them carry on with anti-intellectual rugged individualism which only blames the victims of political correctness as if they're those who play the victim of political correctness...

...but that's just half of the story.

The other half is the elders are still deluded into believing they have a position of strength when they really have a position of weakness. They're caught up in this contradiction of age where they on one hand believe they'll be older than the youth forever, but on the other, have come to terms with how they'll pass away one day. If you ask them to come to grips with this, they just smile and laugh, confessing their naivete.

Combine this with the religious disunity between Catholics, Old School Presbyterians, and Evangelicals, and it's extraordinarily hard to see how the Party is supposed to rally around any sensible platform at all. On one hand, you have institutional loyalists who believe in classic virtues, but their own clergy betray them day in, day out. On the other, you have those who advocate decentralized authority and fatalism, but that really makes them not much different from today's radical anarchists who they like to claim they're so different from despite how they're not. On the third, you have wanderers between the two who don't really know what to stand for other than believing in Jesus, but when you ask them to clarify, they get stuck in linguistic word games from selective usages of scripture which have caused schisms among their own time and again. They really aren't much different from deconstructing postmodernists who suggest words have no intrinsic meaning other than how you can anticipate others trying to use them to turn them against their users.

(I'm ignoring Mainline Methodists, Baptists, and Lutherans here since they're all caught up in intra-denominational conflicts over issues like gay marriage and abortion which have made them more or less meaningless in the leadership of the Republican Party.)

This lack of reliable consensus means the GOP is not going to get its act together at all. It has no idea how to concentrate, no idea how to organize, and no idea how to execute because everyone's hellbent on suggesting the other side is a bunch of subversives just to garnish their own status among the pack. That's the real problem the GOP has - it doesn't care about principle anymore. It cares about pragmatism. It cares more about being in charge of power and getting attention than being attentive to exercise power.

The proof of all this was so obvious during Trump's first two years too. He had complete control over Congress and the Presidency, and said we had to wave the olive branch. In response for playing nice, he got absolutely slammed. To boot, he never made a solitary effort to confront feminist political correctness despite how feminist political correctness constantly says due process is patriarchic, yet he them claimed due process was made a mockery of to have the election stolen from him...

...and despite how he's against neoconservative foreign policy, the rest of the GOP carries on and on yet again about those poor women and girls in Afghanistan while ordinary Republicans time and again play the white knight role to stand up for feminism since it's an easy way to yet again uphold rugged individualism against graceful decency.

25 years from now, all this posturing will be meaningless because the elders who push it won't be around anymore.

They'll have let the opposition run amok more than ever imaginable with all these ANTIFA and BLM riots, and they'll go all out in pushing whatever radical agenda they want because "Nanana poopoo, make me stop."
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby Kane » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:27 pm

Doubtful.

GQP is looking to reassert itself - just doesn't know how to handle the pandemic right now because their voters are finally feeling the brunt of it.

When they are ready they will assert themselves to undermine and remove democracy. Anybody that doesn't understand that now isn't paying attention.
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby mjpc88 » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:38 am

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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby mjpc88 » Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:42 pm

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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby mjpc88 » Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:47 pm

As for faith in democracy being at an all time low, yea, news articles come out about that more and more often now.

Some people oppose it because of their classic opposition to appeals to popularity.

Others oppose it because even though they care about the well-being of people in general, they don't think everyday people know how, or care, to take care of themselves or each other.

People don't even agree on what "democracy" is anymore. Some view it as a voting system. Others view it as a popularly sovereign state of mind. Some view it as freedom. Others view it as a duty to international human rights...

...so there's lots of disgruntlement against democracy over not believing others believe it is what you believe it is. It's the classic issue of value pluralism - you want to stick together despite not having an agreement. It's not just about structure versus style, but how people have different beliefs as to how structure and style relate. Some believe structure imposes style. Others believe structure and style are ambiguous to each other. Some believe structure and style should coexist independently. Others believe that's naive and the point of controlling structure is to control style.
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby Kane » Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:57 pm

Discussions about democracy and government structure for the broader public is fairly limited. They are not discussing differences in governing style - if anything they're conflating democracy with the structure of our government (Federalist Republic).

I think civic engagement in general has declined to the point where those that are the loudest have the most impact (which explains our current levels of hyperpartisanship and media magnification). Most people don't care - they just want to go about their day. All of your comments about "structure" are likely not even considered by most.
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby John Galt » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:52 am

Americans learn only from catastrophe and not from experience. -- Theodore Roosevelt
My life has become a single, ongoing revelation that I haven’t been cynical enough.
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

Postby Kane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:01 am

Faith in both parties is low because neither can seemingly address continuing policy issues effectively without the other.

Working together isn't allowed anymore. So here we are.
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Re: Why the GOP is Done in 25 Years

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