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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:18 am

Life has winners and losers. Nothing is going to change that. They can give their fortunes to the oppressed if they feel that strongly. Yeah, didn't think so. Remember , it was under the same banner and ideals that was used to abolish slavery. So should we abandon those ideals and reinstitute slavery? **==
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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby Gremlin » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:16 pm

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Re: NFL 2017-2018

Postby dontworrybehappy » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:20 am

VIP wrote:Still hung up on the election, nearly a year later! Just like spacemonkey. You really need to get over this simplistic us vs them crap as if this is all a big game. But, thank you for the opportunity to point out once again that in fact the American people rejected trump to the order of millions of votes. But, because of an anachronistic technicality left over because 18th century Maryland didn't want to be democratically steamrolled by 18th century Virginia, we got him appointed to us against our wishes and now we get to hang our heads in shame every day for at least 4 years. It wasn't our choice, but it is our responsibility, and our duty to minimize the damage and vociferously resist the assault on core American values.


Trump didn't campaign to win the popular vote because that wouldn't have put him in the white house.

Had he won the popular but lost the electoral, would you be out there saying that Hillary shouldn't be president?

I doubt it. You have to look to some irrelevant way of counting votes to find a way that Hillary won. Trump won 31 states, Hillary won 19. That is absolute rejection. Popular vote would render more power to New York City than the entire states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama combined. Only a desperate liberal would say that was fair.
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Re: NFL 2017-2018

Postby exploited » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:01 am

dontworrybehappy wrote:
VIP wrote:Still hung up on the election, nearly a year later! Just like spacemonkey. You really need to get over this simplistic us vs them crap as if this is all a big game. But, thank you for the opportunity to point out once again that in fact the American people rejected trump to the order of millions of votes. But, because of an anachronistic technicality left over because 18th century Maryland didn't want to be democratically steamrolled by 18th century Virginia, we got him appointed to us against our wishes and now we get to hang our heads in shame every day for at least 4 years. It wasn't our choice, but it is our responsibility, and our duty to minimize the damage and vociferously resist the assault on core American values.


Trump didn't campaign to win the popular vote because that wouldn't have put him in the white house.

Had he won the popular but lost the electoral, would you be out there saying that Hillary shouldn't be president?

I doubt it. You have to look to some irrelevant way of counting votes to find a way that Hillary won. Trump won 31 states, Hillary won 19. That is absolute rejection. Popular vote would render more power to New York City than the entire states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama combined. Only a desperate liberal would say that was fair.


At the end of the day, Hillary Clinton was fully aware of the electoral college vote, and what it could mean to her campaign. Her failure to adopt the right strategy to win is hers, and hers alone. Even if you want to change the ECV, those are the facts.
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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby John Galt » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:56 am

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while this topic is broad, it's about the culture wars that trump waded into. hillary has nothing to do with it
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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:42 am

She wrote a book blaming everyone but herself. What happened?? She happened.
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Re: NFL 2017-2018

Postby The Comrade » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:07 pm

dontworrybehappy wrote:
VIP wrote:Still hung up on the election, nearly a year later! Just like spacemonkey. You really need to get over this simplistic us vs them crap as if this is all a big game. But, thank you for the opportunity to point out once again that in fact the American people rejected trump to the order of millions of votes. But, because of an anachronistic technicality left over because 18th century Maryland didn't want to be democratically steamrolled by 18th century Virginia, we got him appointed to us against our wishes and now we get to hang our heads in shame every day for at least 4 years. It wasn't our choice, but it is our responsibility, and our duty to minimize the damage and vociferously resist the assault on core American values.


Trump didn't campaign to win the popular vote because that wouldn't have put him in the white house.

Had he won the popular but lost the electoral, would you be out there saying that Hillary shouldn't be president?

I doubt it. You have to look to some irrelevant way of counting votes to find a way that Hillary won. Trump won 31 states, Hillary won 19. That is absolute rejection. Popular vote would render more power to New York City than the entire states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama combined. Only a desperate liberal would say that was fair.


yeah one person one vote is a very unfair system
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Re: NFL 2017-2018

Postby Spider » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:47 pm

dontworrybehappy wrote:
Trump didn't campaign to win the popular vote because that wouldn't have put him in the white house.


No. He desperately wanted the popular vote. So much that's he's been crying his bitch eyes out about it ever since, actually claiming (despite it having been repeatedly and effortlessly debunked) that the election had millions of fraudulent Clinton votes. A claim made repeatedly, over the course of months, with no evidence whatsoever and everyone else calmly pointing out that in fact it has no basis in reality.

Had he won the popular but lost the electoral, would you be out there saying that Hillary shouldn't be president?


I didn't say trump shouldn't be president. We're stuck with the system we have. I said the electoral college is a remnant of a situation that no longer exists and has created a far worse problem in that it supercharges the voting power of some people and retards the voting power of a great many more. The electoral college artificially creates a condition where some people have more of a vote than others. To say nothing of the fact that most electoral votes are winner take all, leaving half of each state completely unrepresented. Which is idiotic. We do not elect any other official this way. Now we've got a ridiculous situation where a few swing states control the entire election. The electoral college hasn't solved any meaningful problem since before the civil war, and in the modern era, has created far worse problems than it was designed to offset.

As for the scenario with Clinton wins against the popular vote (not that there was ever any chance of that against an America hating slug like trump), I'd probably have simply called it even after Bush II.

I doubt it. You have to look to some irrelevant way of counting votes to find a way that Hillary won. Trump won 31 states, Hillary won 19. That is absolute rejection.


LOL! No it's not. Half of those states are f**k cornfields. PEOPLE are what matters, not arbitrarily drawn imaginary lines on a map. This is 2017. Who gives a f**k. PEOPLE vote. Not vast expanses of raw materials for HFCS and ethanol.

Popular vote would render more power to New York City than the entire states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama combined. Only a desperate liberal would say that was fair.


Only a kitty conservative snowflake would work against democracy.

Newsflash: People in NYC are PEOPLE, too. They are human beings, each individual one. They should have exactly the same vote in anything purporting to be a democracy (even in the barest sense) as anyone else.

THAT is fair.

At least you mouthbreathers are consistent. Always with the stratification of humanity. Some people a little bit more or a little bit less than others. Some people have this status, some people have that status. f**k disgusting and immoral, this entire mode of thinking.
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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:29 am

The next war if their is one, maybe the military should take a knee and set it out, and let the overpaid NFL crybabies :(( handle it. **==
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Re: Not-the-NFL, Trump, and Kneelers

Postby uebermann » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:59 pm

spacemonkey wrote:The next war if their is one, maybe the military should take a knee and set it out, and let the overpaid NFL crybabies :(( handle it. **==


Is it possible for you to ever post anything other than complete drivel?

The players are given a national platform and some are using it to stand up for those that don't have that kind of exposure/coverage. It isn't "crying" to point out that we still have some severe injustices in this country. Just because an NFL player makes millions doesn't mean his mom, father, brother, sister, son, or daughter couldn't possibly face harsh injustices as a person of color. To be so willfully ignorant of the issues of this country and try to blanket it as players "crying" is just so willfully obtuse and dishonest that I don't even want to start down that road.

You don't like them kneeling? Then stand up for those being treated as 2nd class citizens because their skin is dark and you won't see it happening any more.
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