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General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby Saz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:55 am

TOKYO — North Korea sharply raised the stakes Sunday in its standoff with the rest of the world, detonating a powerful nuclear device that it claimed was a hydrogen bomb that could be attached to a missile capable of reaching the mainland United States.

Even if Kim Jong Un’s regime is exaggerating its feats, scientific evidence showed that North Korea had crossed an important threshold and had detonated a nuclear device that was vastly more powerful than its last — and almost seven times the size of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. Tensions had already been running high, with Kim repeatedly defying international condemnation and increasingly blunt warnings by President Trump, and continuing to launch ballistic missiles.

But Sunday’s blast — North Korea’s sixth nuclear test but the first since Trump took office — could escalate those tensions to a new level. Trump sharply condemned the test, saying North Korea is “very hostile and dangerous to the United States.”

This morning, President Trump brought three-star armchair general Saz onto his staff, to deal specifically with the threat posed by North Korea.


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We haven't given this threat the attention it deserves and we have not leveraged the wide array of policy options available to the United States. When push comes to shove, there are a few serious but no doubt effective actions we can take to reign in the North Korean threat. We cannot allow this regime to have nuclear or thermonuclear weapons capable of reaching major American cities. Rational or irrational...and the very fact that this is even a matter for debate should stress how unacceptable a nuclear North Korea with ICBMs really is, we would be setting a very dangerous precedent moving forward if we allow this regime to complete it's goal. America, and her allies, would be forever exposed to nuclear blackmail from on of the least stable, and murderous, regimes the world has ever known. This is a regime that has undertaken numerous acts of war against our allies, from the shelling of Yeonpyeong to sinking the Cheonan. This regime kidnaps and murders American, Japanese and South Korean citizens with impunity. With a fully fledged nuclear deterrent, these issues will only get worse and our hands will be forever tied. We must act, while recognizing the human catastrophe war would bring.

1. Circle the Wagons. Give the South Koreans their f**k trade deal. Sell Japan whatever f**k weapons they want. Apologize for nuking them if that's what they really want. Basically, sell out on every other issue except the North Korean issue. This takes priority and we will need their complete cooperation and support moving forward. This should be obvious, but Trump still seems to be clueless.

2. Sanction China. Let there be no doubt the North Korea is a Frankenstein monster of China's creation. The regime has been wholly dependent on China from day 1, and to this day, the Chinese enable them by continuing to allow critical imports of food, oil and war material. No longer. The Chinese must understand two things 1) the cost of propping up North Korea will outweigh any geopolitical or diplomatic leverage they think they will gain and 2) America is credible in her threats to punish China for the actions of North Korea. The first and most obvious step is to expand our sanctions regime to target any entity that deals directly or indirectly with North Korea. I don't mean sanctioning the bank of f**k. ICBC, BoC, and every other institutions that lends or transfers funds for entities dealing with North Korea will be cut off from the US financial system. Make it clear this is step 1. If swift action is not taken by the Chinese and North Korea continues it's tests, then we start adding SOEs that deal directly or indirectly with North Korea to OFAC lists. This step is short of a full blown trade war but will have serious economic repercussions.

3. Move military assets into theater. For any attack to be credible we will need to have assets in theater and be prepared to strike at a moments notice. This will send a strong signal to North Korea and China that we aren't f**k around. THAAD batteries in South Korea and Japan, and stick one in Taiwan as well to piss off the Chinese (and defend guam or whatever the excuse is). Move an extra carrier battle group, or two even, into theater and put further air assets in Japan and South Korea. If push comes to shove, and it is, we will need everything we have in order to destroy NK artillery as quickly as possible. Minutes will matter if they start shelling Seoul and we need to be able to run as many sorties as possible. Also move tactical nuclear weapons into theater. The Chinese think they are undermining our position in Asia by using the North Koreans to bully us. Let's see if they still think that's a viable strategy when we surround them with THAAD batteries, carriers and short/intermediate range nuclear weapons.

4. Fight proliferation with proliferation. Tell the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese that they need to begin developing their own independent nuclear arsenals. If they do not, they will risk losing the protection of the American nuclear umbrella. f**k the NPT, the UN hasn't done shit and North Korea acquiring nuclear ICBMs will expose it as the useless piece of paper that it is. Again, the Chinese need to look at the board and consider if allowing their belligerent little proxy to run wild is worth a nuclear Korea, Japan and Taiwan. All three countries have the capability to put together an independent arsenal in a matter of months with American assistance. This will also take us out of a very dangerous firing line...of North Korea wants to attack Japan or South Korea, they should be prepared for a nuclear response and it's probably best if we aren't forced to be the ones to deliver it. Long run, this will also severely hamstring China as they will have to make very risky calculations not just about American willingness to use the umbrella, but about an independent Korea/Japan/Taiwan taking it out on them. This will ceded a good deal of leverage in east asia, but rather cede it to our allies than allow it to go up in smoke at the hands of North Korea.

5. Blockade. Starve those f**k. Interdict every ship headed to North Korea. The little hermit needs half a million tons of food every year just to feed his people, and of course this years harvest isn't looking good. This can't really be done without Chinese cooperation but if we are willing to make concessions on points 2-4 then I think the Chinese will conclude that it is in their best interests to simply cut off the regime. This can be done quietly, without an explicit policy change, allowing the Chinese to keep some pride and not look like they are caving to American belligerence. Once the flow of oil, hard currency and food slows to a trickle, Kim will be racing against the clock. I suspect come winter he will show the word his true colors and attempt nuclear blackmail in an effort to get food and supplies.

6. Assassinate Kim. We should be working every day with our allies to ensure we have a viable military strategy to assassinate Kim and the rest of the North Korean leadership. We need an independent plan of our own, drawn up in coordination with our allies, and we should have a plan in place with China as well (again, conceding on points 2-4 if we must). Make it clear to China that the preferable option is regime change in North Korea, and that such a policy does not mean reunification. If anything, if china can bring about regime change and that new regime disarms and denuclearizes, then we will be willing to pull back militarily from the Korean peninsula. This would be a massive win for China, allowing them to keep their proxy and buffer, albeit one that isn't a lunatic Stalinist regime. If Mao's China can turn then so can Kim's Korea. All of this requires getting the fat man out of the chair though.

American presidents have ignored and done nothing about this threat since 1954. It's time to show them we are serious because frankly we are out of time. Push has come to shove and we need to be prepared for war while taking every single step we can to come to a solution without it. God bless the United States of America **==

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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby exploited » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:37 am

In retrospect, I am pretty guilty of downplaying or waving off this threat. I still remember guffawing when GWB Jr. described Iran, Iraq and North Korea as the axis of evil. He was two-thirds wrong, but when it came to North Korea, history has proven him to be correct in his sense of urgency and the strength of his words. It would have been far preferable to handle this situation prior to their sustained successes with nuclear weapons, and the international community was simply wrong about the timescale they would be developed - as was I.

The only way to avoid a military conflict, as far as I can see, is for China to handle this problem and assume control of North Korea, directly or indirectly. If that doesn't happen, I don't see any viable way to remove the regime without direct military conflict.
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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby Saz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:49 am

China will not handle the problem because at present, it isn't a problem for China. Financial sanctions and a nuclear Japan or Taiwan will quickly change that equation.
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Postby John Galt » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 am

saz, you are one goddamn amazing armchair general

however, i will say that having china having 7 neighbors around them have nukes will probably have them act like putin and ratchet up their nuclear program again
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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby Saz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:22 am

John Galt wrote:saz, you are one goddamn amazing armchair general

however, i will say that having china having 7 neighbors around them have nukes will probably have them act like putin and ratchet up their nuclear program again


Then let them. The Chinese are not irrational, they are not shooting missiles over our allies, and they aren't going on about nuking the US. China is in a precarious situation here as well, 5% of GDP is trade with the US and a nuclear Taiwan would destroy any hope of reunification. When you factor in a militarized Japan, and the possibility that any of these new nuclear states will respond in kind to North Korea aggression, then the Chinese all of a sudden are facing significant issues as a result of their support for North Korea. The question is will China want to engage in a nuclear standoff with every major economy in the region, and it's largest trade partner, or will they just cut off the lunatic determined to start a war right on their border? The Chinese are not irrational but we need to put them in a situation where they stand to lose significantly should the Korean situation go sideways.

We also need to get clever and start playing the dirty games that every other major power plays. North Korea gets almost all of it's oil via an old pipeline though China. Accidents happen and it would be a shame if that pipeline were to fail (for whatever reason).
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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby Saz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:25 am

exploited wrote:In retrospect, I am pretty guilty of downplaying or waving off this threat. I still remember guffawing when GWB Jr. described Iran, Iraq and North Korea as the axis of evil. He was two-thirds wrong, but when it came to North Korea, history has proven him to be correct in his sense of urgency and the strength of his words. It would have been far preferable to handle this situation prior to their sustained successes with nuclear weapons, and the international community was simply wrong about the timescale they would be developed - as was I.

The only way to avoid a military conflict, as far as I can see, is for China to handle this problem and assume control of North Korea, directly or indirectly. If that doesn't happen, I don't see any viable way to remove the regime without direct military conflict.


From an American foreign policy standpoint, even a military conflict would not be the worst option at this point, as long as we aren't seen as the ones starting it. Push him to the brink and let him do something stupid. South Korea and Japan may have a rough go of things, but we will put an end to this before he can threaten the homeland. We are out of time at this point.
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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby Kane » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:08 am

2017 is shaping up to be a pretty bad year in general. Everywhere.

Why can't we live with a nuclear armed DPRK?
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Postby John Galt » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:19 pm

Kane wrote:2017 is shaping up to be a pretty bad year in general. Everywhere.

Why can't we live with a nuclear armed DPRK?


because it will show that getting nukes means you become untouchable and can use the nukes for constant blackmail. it's like holding hostages but instead of actually ever giving up your hostages in exchange for money you just continuously claim you won't kill the hostages and people give you money. it's a total win win win for any state that gets nukes, so it encourages proliferation. until one day when someone like the leader of NK decides to nuke someone for real
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Postby spacemonkey » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:12 pm

In our world of gangbanger nations, the nuke is like a shiny new gun for the collection of must haves for any aspiring tyrant that just wants to be somebody in the world of gangbanger nations. Kim Jung Unstable could be an example to the other gangbanger nations if you misuse part of your collection. Maybe that's what's needed. Who knows?
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Re: General Saz on the Korean Situation

Postby John Galt » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:17 pm

it is a mistake to write the man off as unstable. he is far more stable than donald trump and is a rational actor. this also doesn't mean he isn't dangerous: he is
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