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Postby Kane » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:03 pm

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Full extent of Harvey’s aftermath starts to come into chilling focus

HOUSTON — The full extent of Hurricane Harvey’s aftermath started to come into chilling focus Sunday in Houston and across much of Central Texas, as rain measured in feet, not inches, overwhelmed lakes, rivers and bayous, leaving several people dead and thousands displaced in a weather disaster described as “beyond anything experienced.”

Across the nation’s fourth-largest city and suburbs many miles away, Harvey left families scrambling to get out of their fast-flooding homes. Rescuers — in many cases neighbors helping neighbors — in fishing boats, huge dump trucks and even front-end loaders battled driving rains to move people to shelter. Some used inflatable toys to ferry their families out of inundated neighborhoods, wading through chest-deep water on foot while the region was under near-constant tornado watches.

By Sunday afternoon, the National Weather Service — which tweeted the “beyond anything experienced” description that morning — was predicting that parts of Texas could receive nearly 50 inches of rain, the largest recorded total in the state’s history. It also warned that Harvey’s relentless downpours were expected to continue until late in the week and that flooding could become much more severe. More than 82,000 homes were without electricity in the Houston area by Sunday night as airports shuttered and hospitals planned evacuations.

Thousands of rescue missions have been launched across a large swath of Texas, and Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Sunday that more than 3,000 National Guard troops had been deployed to assist with relief efforts. The Federal Emergency Management Agency said federal agencies have more than 5,000 employees working in Texas, and the White House said President Trump plans to visit flood-wracked areas of the state on Tuesday.

Officials said Houston, a major center for the nation’s energy industry, had suffered billions of dollars in damage and would take years to fully recover. Oil and gas companies have shut down about a quarter of oil and gas production in the Gulf of Mexico. Spot prices for gasoline are expected to jump on Monday, but the full extent of damage will not be clear for days, companies and experts said.

Harvey’s sheer size also became apparent Sunday as heavy rains and flooding were reported as far away as Austin and even Dallas. What started with a direct impact on the tiny coastal town of Rockport on Friday night has turned into a weather disaster affecting thousands of square miles and millions of people.

In Austin, the Wilhelmina Delco Center, currently one of two Red Cross shelters in the city, had about 180 evacuees. Capacity is 300. Rain continued to fall steadily in Austin on Sunday, and river levels continued to rise. Precautionary sandbags were stacked against the shelter’s entrance.

Bristel Minsker, communications director for the Red Cross Central and South Texas region, said “things are changing quickly,” as the organization prepares to scale up operations in the areas between Austin and Houston.

Still, much of the nation’s focus remained squarely on Houston, where the massive scale of the flooding and the potential for the situation to get much worse in the days ahead was reminding many spooked residents of the effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans.

Mayor Sylvester Turner and other officials pleaded with residents to “shelter in place” and to make calls to overwhelmed 911 operators only in life-threatening emergencies. They urged people to climb to their roofs to await shelter if water was rising inside their homes, and local television news anchors reminded people to stay out of attics where they might be trapped by rising water — or to at least bring an ax to hack their way to the roof.

Police began to ask people with high-water vehicles and boats to assist in their rescue efforts on streets where abandoned cars were completely submerged. Brays Bayou, a huge waterway crossing the southwestern part of the city, rose between 10 and 20 feet overnight and by Sunday morning was flowing over bridges in its path.

The Texas National Guard has deployed across the state, including engineers in Corpus Christi and an infantry search and rescue team in Rockport. Another search and rescue unit is staging in San Antonio and likely will be deploying to affected areas shortly, officials said.

[FEMA director calls storm a ‘devastating disaster,’ says it could be the worst in Texas history]

As the extent of the disaster became clear at daylight Sunday, some criticized Houston officials for not calling for an evacuation of the city. Turner defended the decision not to evacuate, noting it would be a “nightmare” to empty out the population of his city and the county all at once.

“You literally cannot put 6.5 million people on the road,” Turner said at a news conference.

Trump praised the way the city’s officials are handling the flood, tweeting at 8:25 a.m. that the “Good news is that we have great talent on the ground.” He promised to head to Texas “as soon as that trip can be made without causing disruption. The focus must be life and safety.” Trump signed a disaster proclamation for Texas on Friday night.

The disaster unfolding in Houston appeared suddenly, starting with severe storms Saturday evening that came with slashing, sideways rain and almost uninterrupted lightning. By morning, a city that had been largely spared by Harvey’s initial pounding of coastal communities was flooded to devastating levels.

By 7 a.m. Central time, the National Weather Service had recorded close to 25 inches of rain around Houston. Warnings for flash flooding and tornadoes remained in place across the region, and storm surges are expected along the coast, bringing flooding to typically dry areas.


The National Weather Service said Sunday that at least five people had been reported dead due to Harvey. Local officials have confirmed that at least three people have died as a result of the storm, and officials in the hardest-hit counties expect that as the waters recede the number of fatalities will rise.

The first reported death came Saturday in Rockport. Officials said one person was killed after their house caught fire during the storm and they became stuck inside.

At about 9:15 p.m. on Saturday, rescue workers in southwest Houston recovered the body of a woman believed to have driven her car into floodwaters before attempting to escape on foot. Just two minutes earlier, police about 40 miles southeast in La Marque found the body of a 52-year-old homeless man in a Walmart parking lot where there had been high water.

“No city can handle these kind of deluges. In our case, 23 inches overnight,” La Marque Mayor Bobby Hocking said Sunday, nothing that the police department rescued approximately 30 families and brought them to city offices. “I have since secured hotel rooms for them. They were thankful and cried tears of joy.”

As it scrambles to open shelters across Texas, the Red Cross command center in Houston is now “physically isolated” because of floodwaters, said Paul Carden, district director of Red Cross activities in South Texas, which includes Corpus Christi.

“The advice is if you don’t have to be out, don’t be out,” said Bill Begley, a spokesman with the Joint Information Center in Houston. He said most of the calls for help it had received have come from residents who tried to drive through the storm and got stuck in high water.

Both of Houston’s major airports were closed, and many tourists and visitors found themselves stranded in hotels with no hope of leaving anytime soon.

[‘All night of slam, bang, boom,’ then a scramble to assess the hurricane’s damage]

Southwest Airlines flight attendant Allison Brown said at least 50 flight attendants, a number of pilots, airport staff and hundreds of passengers have been stranded at William P. Hobby Airport since at least 1 a.m. Sunday.

Brown said the airport flooded so quickly that shuttles were unable to get to them out. They were told by police that it would be unsafe to attempt to leave.

“Luckily we have the restaurant staff or else we would’ve been stuck with no food,” Brown said. “Waters in the road are around four feet — minimum — surrounding the airport.”

The Marriott Courtyard Hotel in Southwest Houston, along the banks of the Brays Bayou, was surrounded by floodwater when guests woke up Sunday morning.

All roads in the area were underwater, and a park across the bayou was completely flooded. A car nearby had been abandoned, its doors left open. City traffic lights were still blinking red and green over the empty and flooded bridge, but most buildings visible in the area seemed to be dark and without power.

By midmorning, Nichelle Mosby stood up to her knees in floodwater in the parking lot, grimacing with a towel over her head to block the rain.

Mosby and six family members, including a 4-year-old girl, had come from Louisiana to visit relatives. When Harvey hit, they booked into the Courtyard. Now they were stranded with dozens of other guests.

“We went through Katrina, but this feels different,” she said. Instead of a gradual buildup of rising water, she said, “this was like a gush of water that came up too fast.”

In the lobby, John McMillian, 70, sat eating breakfast with his wife, Debbie McMillian, 64, and their daughter, Tara, 29.

They were in town so John McMillian could have five days of treatment for his leukemia at MD Anderson Cancer Center just down the road. He had three days of treatment and was supposed to have his fourth on Sunday, but now they were marooned.

“If push came to shove, we could always wade to the hospital,” he said.

“I’m not going to let him, don’t worry,” his wife added.

She said her new Acura was underwater in the parking lot.

“I haven’t even made the first payment on it yet,” she said.

Local television station KHOU went offline while covering a live rescue of a driver in an semitrailer stuck in more than 10 feet of water near the Interstate 610 loop. The reporter was able to flag down a rescue crew, but as the rescue was about to take place, the station went dark. The main office said the station had to evacuate because floodwaters rushed into the building.

Local television and the Weather Channel showed rescues by boat, including in Dickinson, south of Houston on the way to Galveston, which appeared to be completely inundated.

“This place was built in 1976, and this has never happened,” the owner of a flooded RV park told a reporter. Asked where people would go once they were rescued from their RVs, she said, “I have no idea.”

About 500 people escaping Harvey are now living in two shelters in Dallas, 240 miles north of Houston.

In one, a neighborhood recreation center on the far south side of Dallas, Rebecca Hernandez, 35, said she and her family came from their North Houston home to avoid floodwaters. She, her husband, Gilbert, and their three children drove to Dallas on Friday night. With rent due in a few days, the family couldn’t afford to spend more than one night in a hotel, so they came here.

“We’re starting small,” said Angienetta Johnson, who runs the shelter, noting that there are perhaps 500 or so evacuees in her shelter and another one across town. “But we have plans to go up to 5,000 if need be.”

A neighbor has told Hernandez that floodwaters were at the family’s front door Sunday — just as they were during Katrina.

“We’re ready to go back as soon as they tell us it’s safe,” she said.

In Katy, Michele and Joel Antonini were in line at a cavernous HEB supermarket with 20 sacks of groceries. They had come out in the rain to buy food for neighbors they would probably be taking in from Grand Lakes, where they used to live.

They bought a sheet cake, a roast, chips, hot dogs and hamburgers.

“We just want to be ready if they are hungry and can get out,” Michele said. “We just want to be ready to help.”

Amanda Picard, 35, a CrossFit trainer, said that she lives behind a creek and that all the neighborhood lakes were flooded. She said she was doing a grocery run, picking up spring mix and a frozen pizza, with her husband and 6-year-old in case the storm goes on for days.

“It’s gonna be a long haul,” Picard said.

Sullivan reported from Houston, Samuels reported from Washington and Wax reported from Katy, Tex. Wesley Lowery, Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Steven Mufson in Washington; Justin Glawe in Dallas; Stephanie Kuzydym and Dylan Baddour in Houston; Tim Craig in Rockport and Corpus Christi; Brittney Martin in San Antonio; Ashley Cusick in New Orleans; Mary Lee Grant in Port Aransas, Tex.; and Sofia Sokolove in Austin contributed to this report.


Pray for all those affected by the flooding and the hurricane. Perhaps this country should start developing city planning that compensates for localized weather patterns? And maybe take Climate Change seriously?
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby John Galt » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:54 pm

i'm all for taking climate change seriously but claiming this is the result of climate change is VERY dangerous. why? because it makes it easy to dismiss ALL climate change if you can show that this isn't

this is the first hurricane to hit the mainland US in like a decade. al gore and the chicken little club were running around after katrina saying this was going to happen all the time now... and then... it didn't. now you're gonna do that again?

what was that story, about the boy who cried wolf?

i would not hitch that wagon to climate change. that's a terrible idea

as for city planning... i dunno. seems odd to plan for epic disasters, doesn't it? like a once in several hundred year event? hurricanes happen, we know they do, and sometimes conditions make it terrible for some localized part of the country. huston is completely f**k right now, but there is very little that can be done. it's all f**k flat as the ocean and there's nowhere for the water to go. only thing that could make some sense is to have multistory buildings with cars parked on ground floor. this is just mitigating the flooding effects, but still doesn't stop it from happening. because you can't stop that. you saw the highways, they are nearly up to the overhead signs filled with water. what do you want them to do, build giant canals everywhere for water that might come again within a 1000 years, or might not? i recommend just not living there
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby fstarcstar » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:59 pm

Kane, there are already plans for these kind of things. Before we start pointing fingers we have to understand that this storm went from nothing to becoming one of the most destructive storms in 3-4 days. Houston, literally one of the largest cities in the United States and the entire southern Texas gulf border can't just be picked up and moved in days. It's literally impossible.

Even the meteorologists and experts were completely wrong on this one. The original messages coming out of the area was that people did not have to leave and then rapidly the situations changed and it's now one of the worst disasters we will ever have because the storm simply isn't moving. It's just sitting there.
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby John Galt » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:01 pm

this storm has dropped something like 11 trillion gallons of water on texas already. this is one twelfth of the volume of Lake Erie
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby John Galt » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:05 pm

fstarcstar wrote:Kane, there are already plans for these kind of things. Before we start pointing fingers we have to understand that this storm went from nothing to becoming one of the most destructive storms in 3-4 days. Houston, literally one of the largest cities in the United States and the entire southern Texas gulf border can't just be picked up and moved in days. It's literally impossible.

Even the meteorologists and experts were completely wrong on this one. The original messages coming out of the area was that people did not have to leave and then rapidly the situations changed and it's now one of the worst disasters we will ever have because the storm simply isn't moving. It's just sitting there.


100% right. the models did not predict what happened and then all the sudden this became one of the worst storms in the united states history. i was on vacation this last week and i was watching weather channel in my hotel at night, and it really wasn't until a few days ago that people started becoming worried. by time the experts were realizing what was happening it was beyond too late to do anything and people had to shelter in place. hopefully the loss of life will not continue to rise. i doubt that very much, but it can be hoped it's not in the hundreds. if people stayed high and dry, they could ride it out. if they tried to flee as the storm started dumping... they are probably lost
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby fstarcstar » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:05 pm

Most of Houston received an entire years worth of rain in under 24 hours.
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby John Galt » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:18 pm

In 2005 over 100 people died during the evacuation of Huston, including 23 nursing home patients who died from their bus exploding

There's a number of things at play. I think in the short term the priority is to help those who need it. Long term will be to get lessens learned
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby NAB » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:14 pm

I saw a stat today that Houston received nearly as much rain in 48 hours as Dallas has this entire year. Dallas has had a pretty wet year so far....ffs

I'm very familiar with the term 100 year flood (dealt with it in low elevation developments), but I saw a 500 year flood mentioned today (clearly a projection).

TBF, the incredible rain amounts were being predicted before it made landfall. I've got quite a few friends in Houston, and they're all ok right now. A few have been posting videos of their neighborhoods and it's crazy to see a street sign barely sticking out of the water..

I do have a good friend who's an avid deep sea fisherman who canceled a planned trip this weekend. He's still got an amazing boat moored in Port O'Connor he hopes. Harvey is projected to head back out to sea right over Port O...
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby NAB » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm

John Galt wrote:
fstarcstar wrote:Kane, there are already plans for these kind of things. Before we start pointing fingers we have to understand that this storm went from nothing to becoming one of the most destructive storms in 3-4 days. Houston, literally one of the largest cities in the United States and the entire southern Texas gulf border can't just be picked up and moved in days. It's literally impossible.

Even the meteorologists and experts were completely wrong on this one. The original messages coming out of the area was that people did not have to leave and then rapidly the situations changed and it's now one of the worst disasters we will ever have because the storm simply isn't moving. It's just sitting there.


100% right. the models did not predict what happened and then all the sudden this became one of the worst storms in the united states history. i was on vacation this last week and i was watching weather channel in my hotel at night, and it really wasn't until a few days ago that people started becoming worried. by time the experts were realizing what was happening it was beyond too late to do anything and people had to shelter in place. hopefully the loss of life will not continue to rise. i doubt that very much, but it can be hoped it's not in the hundreds. if people stayed high and dry, they could ride it out. if they tried to flee as the storm started dumping... they are probably lost


I saw warnings of the potential for incredible rain amounts the day before it made landfall. They knew it was going to squat on southern Texas and just dump rain for many days.
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Re: Houston is under water

Postby exploited » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:57 am

You know, I couldn't help but notice the food choices of those featured in the article. You don't know if you have enough food to last, so you bought hotdogs, hamburgers, sheet cake and pizza?

I dunno man. I dunno. Something about that smells like actors. Is this a false flag?
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