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Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby Spider » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:25 pm

Mexico can impose annual trade sanctions worth $163.23 million against the United States after winning a dispute over trade in tuna fish, a World Trade Organization arbitrator ruled on Tuesday.

Mexico's economy ministry said it planned immediate action to initiate the trade sanctions.

However, the ruling could be overturned later this year if a subsequent WTO decision finds the United States has stopped discriminating against tuna caught by its southern neighbor.

The sanctions award was only a third of the $472.3 million Mexico had asked for. It has previously said it planned to impose the sanctions on imports of U.S. high-fructose corn syrup.

Mexico's complaint, which dates back to 2008, focused on U.S. rules on "dolphin friendly" labeling, which Mexico said unfairly penalized its fishing industry.

Mexico said it had cut dolphin deaths to minimal levels but that it was being discriminated against by U.S. demands for paperwork and sometimes government observers. Tuna catches from other regions did not face the same stringent tests, it said.

After losing the case, the United States changed its rules in 2013. The WTO said the rule change was not enough and Mexico was still being unfairly treated, giving rise to the award of trade sanctions.

However, the United States changed its rules again in 2016 by expanding the tougher rules to all countries. If the WTO decides that has stopped the discrimination, Mexico would have to stop its retaliation. The WTO is expected to decide in July.


Meh. The timing is coincidental, but the retaliation from Mexico will at least be interesting. Trump supporters will perhaps eat fewer Jal-aw-pen-oes in response? Meanwhile, beyond the opposite border:

The Trump administration is hitting Canada with stiff tariffs of up to 24% on lumber shipped into the United States.
These are the first tariffs imposed by President Trump, who during his election campaign threatened to use them on imports from both China and Mexico.
The decision on Monday evening is bound to lead to a standoff and could stoke fears of a trade war between the U.S. and Canada, two of the world's largest trade powers.
Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said the tariffs, or taxes, announced Monday evening were being imposed after trade talks on dairy products fell through.
"It has been a bad week for U.S.-Canada trade relations," Ross said in a statement.

Trump's tariffs come as the U.S., Canada and Mexico prepare to renegotiate NAFTA, the 1994 free trade agreement. Trump has directed almost all of his NAFTA criticism at Mexico, which makes this decision even more surprising.
When Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visited Trump in February, Trump said he only expected to be "tweaking" the U.S.-Canada trade relationship.
But his tune changed Tuesday morning.

The tariffs -- also called duties -- ranged from 3% to 24% on five specific Canadian lumber companies. For all other Canadian lumber companies, there's a nearly 20% tariff on exports to the US.
The five firms were: West Fraser Mills, Tolko Marketing and Sales, J.D. Irving, Canfor Corporation, and Resolute FP Canada. West Fraser Mills will pay the highest duty of 24%.
The duties were imposed to create a level playing field for American lumber companies.
U.S. lumber companies allege that Canadian firms are provided with unfair subsidies by the Canadian government.
Canadian exports of softwood lumber to the United States were valued at $5.6 billion last year, according to the Commerce Department.


This is some f**k. But wait....dairy too:

Mr Trump earlier on Tuesday hit out at Canada over the dairy trade, threatening to broaden his actions beyond lumber. The US president said on Twitter that Canada had “made business for our dairy farmers in Wisconsin and other border states very difficult”. The comment came after a dairy dispute bubbled up last week when Canada pledged to support domestic dairy farmers, who can sell their ingredients to Canadian cheese makers and yoghurt producers for less than equivalent imports.

“We will not stand for this,” Mr Trump tweeted. At a meeting later of farmers and agricultural leaders, he added: “People don’t realise Canada’s been very rough on the United States . . . they’ve outsmarted our politicians for years.”


I mean...the dairy thing makes sense. If places like Wisconsin have backslid into swing state status, throwing them a bone at least seems logical. (Let's not pretend trump gives a single shit about farmers of anything at all except turf seed for golf courses.) But as a PNWer, timber strikes me as being of limited political utility. Trade wars in general are completely counterproductive and idiotic. This is simpleminded twentieth century bullshit. Sure, there's this NAFTA "renegotiation" thing...and trump wants to appear forceful, and maybe the timber tariff could be walked back in exchange for movement on the dairy policies...but honestly wtf. Who cares? The effect of this, even best case, isn't going to materially improve dairy trade with Canada, and will almost certainly push up lumber prices in the US. Could raise home prices by thousands of dollars.

Basically...this is useless stirring up issues between two symbiotic trade partners...merely because the larger is in a better position and knows the other can't really strike back in any way that hurts very much. trump will cheerfully suck Chinese dick...they can hurt us...but then turn around and slap Canada in the face because they're ten times smaller. There's quite simply no other reason. Trump, having failed spectacularly in his first 100 days, is desperate for any sort of victory. f**k up NAFTA would at least make him feel better.

In any case...these are extremely specifically targeted tariffs. It's not broad enough to spark any sort of trade war between Canada and the US...which, again, would be stupid. The N American trade relationship is gigantically broad. We're practically a single economy already, even without NAFTA. And these battles of timber and dairy, among other things, are already old news. Its just irritating to see this trade war horseshit of a hundred years ago in play despite the totally senseless destructiveness of it all.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/25/new-tariff-on-canadian-lumber-should-send-a-stern-trade-message-to-the-world-commerces-wilbur-ross-warns.html
https://www.ft.com/content/525756a0-2943-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby The Comrade » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:10 am

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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby exploited » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:29 am

American dairy is a f**k abomination, and I would rather see a trade war then let in more of that garbage.
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby John Galt » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:36 am

whats wrong with american dairy, pizza man
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby The Comrade » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:50 am

doesn't come in a bag
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby NAB » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:19 am

John Galt wrote:whats wrong with american dairy, pizza man


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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby exploited » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:34 pm

John Galt wrote:whats wrong with american dairy, pizza man


It tastes like milk that somebody filtered through white sugar first.

And the cheese? My god, the cheese. It isn't even f**k cheese. The shit you eat and call cheese is beyond terrible.

f**k American Dairy.
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby Spider » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:38 pm

The Comrade wrote:doesn't come in a bag


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To be fair...that's an eastern Canada thing, I think. Over here its in cartons. Not that there's any qualitative difference in dairy products between the US and Canada, carton or bag or whatever. That would be like thinking American beer sucks because all you've had is Budweiser or whatever mass produced nonsense.
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby exploited » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:48 pm

Bagged milk is friendlier to the environment, easier to transport, easier to sterilize the bags, and allows you to crack the seal on a smaller portion than Jugs. Further, they are a boon to poor Canadians, many of whom wash the bags and then reuse them instead of purchasing sandwich bags - cheaper for them and better for the planet.

It is an inherently superior milk container, but of course Americans and Western Canadians can't wrap their heads around it - as a people, they are far too rammy, impatient, barbaric and careless to deal with liquids in a bag. "DURRRR BUT WUT IF I WANT TO CARRY MUH KNIFE WHILE CARRYIN MY GROCERIES WHILE BLACK FRIDAYING DURRRRRRRR RHURRRRHRRHRHRRURURURP"
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Re: Atún Mexicano...Bois d'oeuvre Canadien

Postby John Galt » Thu May 04, 2017 4:44 pm

I can get bagged milk in minnesota

having had dairy products in both the states and canada the only thing remarkable about canadian dairy is that all their food, including dairy, is covered in gravy, but otherwise it seemed indistinguishable

i think the issue is because of canada's protectionist dairy industry.while Trump blames NAFTA, it is Canada that is not living up to expectations under NAFTA and should be penalized for it; you probably get shit american cheese because that's all that can compete

High tariffs and a growing list of non-tariff trade barriers significantly hinder U.S. dairy access to Canada. Not only was U.S.-Canada dairy trade largely omitted from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Canadian government has repeatedly taken steps to erode the very limited dairy concessions Canada did grant through NAFTA and through previous WTO agreements.
Most recently, Canada unilaterally altered the definition of “food preparations” to exclude any packages containing fresh cheese. The move intentionally blocked all U.S. exports of topping kits—blends of cheese and pepperoni in high demand from Canadian pizza makers.
And as part of its 2013 Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) with the EU, Canada agreed to restrict the use of five common cheese names (asiago, feta, fontina, gorgonzola and muenster) after Europe claimed them as protected geographic indications (GIs). The move not only fosters broader EU GI efforts but constrains U.S. opportunities in the event other barriers are removed.
USDEC continues to work with U.S. government officials to relate the U.S. dairy industry’s Canada concerns and emphasize the importance of Canadian market access. USDEC efforts helped ensure that the USTR’s Office included the topping-kit issue in its 2014 National Trade Estimate report of the most important foreign barriers affecting U.S. exports of goods and services.
Canada’s GI concessions played a role in multiple letters from Congress emphasizing the need to tenaciously resist EU GI encroachment. And we have backed multiple congressional letters emphasizing that Canada must not only commit to removing dairy tariffs during the ongoing Trans-Pacific Partnership FTA talks but also agree to refrain from implementing future regulatory changes aimed at blocking U.S. dairy imports.
These systemic efforts by Canada to erode market access opportunities for U.S. dairy exports pose a significant concern and make that market more volatile than it should be. USDEC works to address these concerns and advocate for more consistent Canadian trade policy in compliance with its international obligations.

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