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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Stratego » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:32 am

Why is the US destroying Assad's aircraft instead of supplying him with more?

We're perfectly OK with conventional weapons. If bomb kills 1000, it's OK, but if gas kills people, it's not. Assume that Assad was the culprit for releasing the gas, wouldn't he have less incentive to use chemical weapons if he had more conventional weapons?
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Spider » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:30 am

Stratego wrote:Why is the US destroying Assad's aircraft instead of supplying him with more?

We're perfectly OK with conventional weapons. If bomb kills 1000, it's OK, but if gas kills people, it's not. Assume that Assad was the culprit for releasing the gas, wouldn't he have less incentive to use chemical weapons if he had more conventional weapons?


For the same reason people get emotional over the nuclear deletions of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even though the conventional bombing campaign was far deadlier. Flashy weapons...or at least weapons with a next level amount of negative connotation, such as poison gas, get an outsized reaction. The vast majority of gun deaths in the US are caused with handguns. But there are other guns that seem scarier to the ignorati, so we focus on them instead. This entire spectrum of issues is totally irrational.

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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby John Galt » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:15 am

usually, bombs incidentally kill people, while destroying the target which is typically infrastructure or assets. chemical weapons are designed to kill people and leave everything else in tact, and who dies is dictated by the wind after the explosion. further, chemical weapons kill you relatively slowly compared to conventional weapons, and in an agonizing way. similarly the most horrifying effects of nuclear weapons isn't the death of so many so quickly, but the impact of radiation on the dying
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby exploited » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:56 am

Spider wrote:
Stratego wrote:Why is the US destroying Assad's aircraft instead of supplying him with more?

We're perfectly OK with conventional weapons. If bomb kills 1000, it's OK, but if gas kills people, it's not. Assume that Assad was the culprit for releasing the gas, wouldn't he have less incentive to use chemical weapons if he had more conventional weapons?


For the same reason people get emotional over the nuclear deletions of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even though the conventional bombing campaign was far deadlier. Flashy weapons...or at least weapons with a next level amount of negative connotation, such as poison gas, get an outsized reaction. The vast majority of gun deaths in the US are caused with handguns. But there are other guns that seem scarier to the ignorati, so we focus on them instead. This entire spectrum of issues is totally irrational.

(Disclaimer: Whatever I've just said that is monstrous, communist, racist, or kicking of puppies, apologies in advance, etc etc, Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi, Viva Cascadia, Time for bed.)


Normalizing the use of chemical weapons is monstrous, yes. I'm glad you added your disclaimer though, it means you already realized this, and are for whatever reason trying to downplay the decision to say "No big deal, just go ahead and gas civilian areas, can't be any worse than inadvertently dropping explosives on them."

More important than the immediate damage is the precedent it sets. Chemical weapons, biological weapons and nuclear weapons are treated differently for this exact reason.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:25 am

It all depends on what is in the official rule book of war/ killing. The Neanderthals take that serious.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby NAB » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:47 pm

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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:43 pm

Maybe they never got the memo that Obama is gone, and now shit will happen. :ar!
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby NAB » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:04 pm

spacemonkey wrote:Maybe they never got the memo that Obama is gone, and now shit will happen. :ar!



By "they", are you referring to Trump? Those are all direct quotes from DJT.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:17 am

NAB wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:Maybe they never got the memo that Obama is gone, and now shit will happen. :ar!



By "they", are you referring to Trump? Those are all direct quotes from DJT.

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