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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby John Galt » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:37 pm

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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Spider » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:09 pm

ToddStarnes wrote:Base is still operational. $90M and we couldn't knock out a single base in a sand pit? Lol wtf.


"operational" can be specious. Truly, all you need is a runway, a guy with a radio, and a fuel truck. From the before and afters at Galt's link, this looks like a pretty effective precision attack...but they'd need to bomb the runways themselves into oblivion to render it truly useless.

Then again, after this they'd be idiots to even leave a plane sitting anywhere where it can just be pulverized at will.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby ToddStarnes » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:14 pm

Okay fair fair.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Stratego » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:27 am

fstarcstar wrote:Nice, are we sending in missiles everytime some women and children die? Or did he simply do this to show he is tough and Obama isn't?

When women and children die it's the duty of the POTUS to take actions that'd lead to a lot more women and children dying.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Stratego » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:41 am

John Galt wrote:
Kane wrote:
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fstarcstar wrote:Nice, are we sending in missiles everytime some women and children die? Or did he simply do this to show he is tough and Obama isn't?


Chinese president is in town. Coincidentally, of course.


Maybe he's playing the crazy card? Showing Xi his willingness to use force and giving him pause on handling North Korea? "Maybe Trump is crazy enough to attack North Korea and maybe we do need to rein in Kim Jong Un before we share a border with a western state?"


they were eating dinner together while the attack was happening

it's about sending a message

It's Trump's geopolitical equivalent of a dick pic.

Unfortunately, the world has seen bigger under Obama and Bush. The Syrian air force was flying sorties out of that airfield almost immediately after Trump claimed that the airfield was completely destroyed.
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World Begs US To Use Military Force So They Can Bitch Later

Postby Saz » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:26 am

NEW YORK — World leaders met at the United Nations today to beg the United States to use military force to stem the ever-growing humanitarian disaster in Syria, knowing full well they will then turn around and blame the US shortly thereafter.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said, “We call upon the world’s greatest nation — the United States — to help bring peace to this terrible civil war, because, f**k it, none of us want to.”

“And the best part is, when this whole thing goes to hell in a handbasket — which, quite frankly, happens almost every time you intervene in a multi-sided civil war in a God-forsaken third-world country — none of us are responsible for it!” Ki-Moon added.

The “Blame America First” policy is a time-honored tradition in international relations, dating back to the outrage over the US Air Force’s targeted bombing campaign against the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, followed by consternation over America’s idleness while the same Khmer Rouge murdered millions of their own countrymen.

“It’s pretty shameful, but hey, it got me a Pulitzer prize,” said Sydney Schanberg, whose two-faced coverage of the war in Cambodia in the New York Times inspired the Oscar-winning film, The Killing Fields.

“Amateurs tend to blame America first and then they’re done with it,” said anti-war MIT Professor Noam Chomsky. “Just this past week, Vox’s Amanda Taub blamed the U.S. for the entire Syrian Civil War instead of blaming, well, the Syrians themselves.”

“But that’s the type of ‘Blame America First’ coverage that gets you a few thousand clicks at best,” Chomsky continued. “If you really want Oscars, Pulitzers, and charity donations, you have to sucker the US into intervening, then blame America!”

“Just look at Somalia: Send the U.S. military to help deal with a famine, then, boom! A firefight, a downed Black Hawk helicopter, and before you know it, a blockbuster movie from Michael Bay!” he concluded.

Schanberg pointed to the fact the “Blame America First” strategy hasn’t always mired America in pointless tribal conflicts.

“We thought we had a real winner with the whole ‘Stop Kony’ campaign, and even the whole ‘Bring Back Our Girls’ thing. But the US just responded with a whole bunch of Twitter hashtags,” Schanberg said.

“Which just goes to show you, for Obama, black lives just don’t matter, I guess.”

British Labour Party candidate Jeremy Corbyn had already prepared a statement denouncing U.S. actions should it, indeed, be suckered into sending military forces to resolve the Syrian refugee crisis.

“The U.S. has flagrantly placed its flag all throughout the world: invading Iraq, Afghanistan,” Corbyn said. “Just who do they think they are? Us?”
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:21 am

Basically, the US is the UN.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby John Galt » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:26 pm

Stratego wrote:
John Galt wrote:
Kane wrote:
Spider wrote:
fstarcstar wrote:Nice, are we sending in missiles everytime some women and children die? Or did he simply do this to show he is tough and Obama isn't?


Chinese president is in town. Coincidentally, of course.


Maybe he's playing the crazy card? Showing Xi his willingness to use force and giving him pause on handling North Korea? "Maybe Trump is crazy enough to attack North Korea and maybe we do need to rein in Kim Jong Un before we share a border with a western state?"


they were eating dinner together while the attack was happening

it's about sending a message

It's Trump's geopolitical equivalent of a dick pic.

Unfortunately, the world has seen bigger under Obama and Bush. The Syrian air force was flying sorties out of that airfield almost immediately after Trump claimed that the airfield was completely destroyed.


runways are pretty simple to get back up. if you look at the targets like the planes in their bunkers it was destroyed. this has before and after satellite imagery http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/politics/ ... index.html while perhaps it would be good for an artillery salvo at 1 million a pop it is a waste of tomahawks to hit runways
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Kane » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:21 pm

They'd have to use multiple bombs to decimate a runway. Tomahawks were targeting the air force/jets.

Still, I wonder if all of the Tomahawks got through or if Russia intercepted any?
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Spider » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:46 pm

It'd be whack a mole for a while. To really destroy their air force would require either a ridiculously expensive number of cruise missiles, or a bombing campaign that would put even stealth bombers into real danger of being shot down by Russian air defenses already deployed to Syria.

trump is pretty far out of touch though. So who knows. The brass could literally draw it out for him in crayon and he'd probably just ignore them.
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