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The Red Line crossed again

Postby John Galt » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:44 am

the Red Line was the worst geopolicial blunder by any president in living memory. yes, i am including iraq. why is it so awful? well we need only look at crimea and the south china sea for answers. by not honoring our word, we are leaving a vaccum that is quickly being filled. if the damage is not controlled we could be looking at some serious conflicts in the short term.

enter: a chance for redemption

syrians have used chemical weapons again, killing dozens of children, with an air attack: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/middleeas ... ia-attack/

this attack comes days after Tillerson said that the US doens't have any interest in regime change. well, they can't be allowed to do this. President Donald Trump should now attack Russian-ally Syria. this will demonstrate he is not under Putin's thumb and be used to warn a belligerent North Korea to knock it off, as well as Russia and China that the US will not tolerate their actions, and the US will back up what we said even if it was said by a previous administration and they totally dropped the ball
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby exploited » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:47 am

Iraq was significantly worse, by many magnitudes, but yes, that was Obama's single greatest blunder, and it will have long-term repercussions.

Opposing the Syrian government was the problem in the first place. The "moderate rebels" are insane jihadists. Say what you will about the cruelty of Assad's reign, it pales in comparison to what would happen if any of the major rebel groups in Syria gained control of the country.

Also, I have to be honest with you Galt... the idea that the US could possibly gain anything by making Trump an actual war-time President is insane. The man is brutally incompetent and so is nearly every cabinet member. Trump simply does not have the chops to direct American efforts at attacking an actual nation state, especially one allied to Russia.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:41 am

Its no different the decapitating the leadership of a place like L.A., then letting the crypts, vice lords ms 13, and whoever else have a power struggle. Gangbanging on a national level. One of these days we might learn you can't impose freedom and democracy at gunpoint.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:43 am

exploited wrote:Iraq was significantly worse, by many magnitudes, but yes, that was Obama's single greatest blunder, and it will have long-term repercussions.

Opposing the Syrian government was the problem in the first place. The "moderate rebels" are insane jihadists. Say what you will about the cruelty of Assad's reign, it pales in comparison to what would happen if any of the major rebel groups in Syria gained control of the country.

Also, I have to be honest with you Galt... the idea that the US could possibly gain anything by making Trump an actual war-time President is insane. The man is brutally incompetent and so is nearly every cabinet member. Trump simply does not have the chops to direct American efforts at attacking an actual nation state, especially one allied to Russia.

If we are not willing to kick their ass, take their stuff and make them slaves, we need to get out of the war business. Today we kick their ass then kiss their ass. Screw that.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Philly » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:47 am

"crypts" lol
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:49 am

Philly wrote:"crypts" lol

I don't even know if they are still around these days. But it is a cool gang name I suppose.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby ToddStarnes » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:49 am

What's really special is that "crypts" was one of the least nonsensical things in all his posts ITT.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby NAB » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:40 pm

ToddStarnes wrote:What's really special is that "crypts" was one of the least nonsensical things in all his posts ITT.


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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby Kane » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:10 pm

It's sad that he dragged Obama back into it again...

Politico wrote:
In a statement, Trump called the attacks “reprehensible” but then quickly pivoted to blaming Obama. “These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration’s weakness and irresolution,” the president said.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer insisted the administration wasn't sending mixed messages on Assad's future, but rather realistic ones. "There is not a fundamental option of regime change as there has been in the past," Spicer said, though it wasn't clear exactly to when he was referring.

At the same time, Spicer held out the possibility the U.S., in concert with allies, could take some unspecified "action" in response to the chemical attack, even as he said that Trump won't "telegraph what we're going to do."

But with Russia holding a veto at the U.N. Security Council, and little appetite in the United States for militarily intervening in the fight between Assad and rebels trying to oust him, it's not clear what will be done.

“Assad will get away with murder as he has been doing since March 2011,” predicted Randa Slim, a Syria expert with the Middle East Institute.

Foreign policy analysts echoed Spicer's criticism of Obama, noting that the former president failed to take military action against Assad even after the Syrian leader violated the U.S. president’s 2012 “red line” by using chemical weapons. Trump himself taunted the Obama administration over the episode on Twitter.

But even Obama critics acknowledged that the previous administration helped orchestrate a 2013 deal to remove much of Assad’s chemical weapons stockpile – and, unlike the Trump team, Obama never publicly abandoned demands that Assad relinquish power.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said last Thursday that America’s “priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.” Tillerson, at a separate event, said, "I think the status and the longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people."

The following day, Spicer said that “with respect to Assad, there is a political reality that we have to accept.” He added that defeating the Islamic State terrorist group is a more important priority than getting rid of Assad, which, again, was also effectively the case for the Obama administration
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Sigh. Amateurs. That back channel to Putin really must be paying off now eh Trump?

The meeting with Xi Jinping this week will be interesting. If Trump goes tweet crazy after that it's game over. Make no mistake, China has been preparing for this meeting for a while.
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Re: The Red Line crossed again

Postby NAB » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:31 pm

saw some pics of the children attacked by this attack and it's really hard to look at. f**k
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