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This will serve as the first test of how fast services and companies can relocate in the global economy. I suspect London will not weather this well.

Could be the countries with a lot of cheap slave labor will have a lot of unemployed cheap slave labor. Fixing that probably won't be a massive welfare safety net, just mass graves.

I am truly bewildered by the opinions of many conservatives these days. I have never been what you would describe as a warmonger. But to suggest that you don't care about the fate of Europe, that you wouldn't intervene if another catastrophic European war broke out, or that you have no interest in defending Europe against a country like Russia... I find it incredibly offensive. The people of Europe have made many mistakes in the past, as have we, but the entire world is stronger, wealthier and more peaceful when North America and Europe defend common Western values, together. There is no reason why North America and Europe should not be pursuing closer and closer ties, especially give the rise of nation states like China and India. And, yeah, I think all non-American countries should be paying more for defense... but you don't achieve that by electing amateurish clowns like Trump.

^great comment nab

exploited, as i noted, this is a pressing concern but i think the worst part isn't the isolationist republicans. as noted in my previous post, it's more likely for a Democratic voter to support abandoning our allies to Russian invasion than a Republican would. In fact, it's more likely that a Democratic voter would support abandoning our allies, period, as under half support honoring commitments to NATO. (the pew poll said " Nearly seven-in-ten Republicans (69%), but only 47% of Democrats, supported using force to aid a NATO ally attacked by Russia.") but you are right that the isolationism is increasing with Republicans, especially with the commander in chief.

it's an old strain of conservatism. we had a few world wars and the cold war that showcased how the US could be a stabilizing force in the world, especially in the belly of the beast known as europe. we shouldn't leave europe on its own. NA and Europe are culturally tied together and we should stick together. if the US is removed from the equation there will be blood, buckets of it: canada can't keep the peace on her own and we all know europeans can't be trusted. i know, it sucks dealing with people who never put on big boy pants but we have to do it; we'll get drawn into their squabbles anyway at some point. like i said, if the US leaves ramstien, we will see europe in flames soon thereafter

Although the world is still the same size, our technology has basically shrunken it down to a point where finite is going to become a bigger factor then in the past.