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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby Kane » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:37 am

This will serve as the first test of how fast services and companies can relocate in the global economy. I suspect London will not weather this well.
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby spacemonkey » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:31 am

Could be the countries with a lot of cheap slave labor will have a lot of unemployed cheap slave labor. Fixing that probably won't be a massive welfare safety net, just mass graves.
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby ToddStarnes » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:36 am

spacemonkey wrote:
exploited wrote:How long until the next great European war breaks out, Galt?

Don't know, don't care, I ain't going.


are you one of those conservatives that's terrified of all the "muzzies" in Europe?
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby exploited » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:47 am

I am truly bewildered by the opinions of many conservatives these days. I have never been what you would describe as a warmonger. But to suggest that you don't care about the fate of Europe, that you wouldn't intervene if another catastrophic European war broke out, or that you have no interest in defending Europe against a country like Russia... I find it incredibly offensive. The people of Europe have made many mistakes in the past, as have we, but the entire world is stronger, wealthier and more peaceful when North America and Europe defend common Western values, together. There is no reason why North America and Europe should not be pursuing closer and closer ties, especially give the rise of nation states like China and India. And, yeah, I think all non-American countries should be paying more for defense... but you don't achieve that by electing amateurish clowns like Trump.
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby NAB » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:05 pm

exploited wrote:I am truly bewildered by the opinions of many conservatives these days. I have never been what you would describe as a warmonger. But to suggest that you don't care about the fate of Europe, that you wouldn't intervene if another catastrophic European war broke out, or that you have no interest in defending Europe against a country like Russia... I find it incredibly offensive. The people of Europe have made many mistakes in the past, as have we, but the entire world is stronger, wealthier and more peaceful when North America and Europe defend common Western values, together. There is no reason why North America and Europe should not be pursuing closer and closer ties, especially give the rise of nation states like China and India. And, yeah, I think all non-American countries should be paying more for defense... but you don't achieve that by electing amateurish clowns like Trump.


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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby John Galt » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:12 pm

^great comment nab

exploited, as i noted, this is a pressing concern but i think the worst part isn't the isolationist republicans. as noted in my previous post, it's more likely for a Democratic voter to support abandoning our allies to Russian invasion than a Republican would. In fact, it's more likely that a Democratic voter would support abandoning our allies, period, as under half support honoring commitments to NATO. (the pew poll said " Nearly seven-in-ten Republicans (69%), but only 47% of Democrats, supported using force to aid a NATO ally attacked by Russia.") but you are right that the isolationism is increasing with Republicans, especially with the commander in chief.

it's an old strain of conservatism. we had a few world wars and the cold war that showcased how the US could be a stabilizing force in the world, especially in the belly of the beast known as europe. we shouldn't leave europe on its own. NA and Europe are culturally tied together and we should stick together. if the US is removed from the equation there will be blood, buckets of it: canada can't keep the peace on her own and we all know europeans can't be trusted. i know, it sucks dealing with people who never put on big boy pants but we have to do it; we'll get drawn into their squabbles anyway at some point. like i said, if the US leaves ramstien, we will see europe in flames soon thereafter
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:27 am

ToddStarnes wrote:
spacemonkey wrote:
exploited wrote:How long until the next great European war breaks out, Galt?

Don't know, don't care, I ain't going.


are you one of those conservatives that's terrified of all the "muzzies" in Europe?

Are the European's having second thoughts you think?
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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby John Galt » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:11 am

spain is making noise about gibraltar again. conservative leader lord howard compared it to the Falklands and that the UK would be prepared to defend the rock in the same way. what he's suggesting is war by the way, between spain and england, like it's the 1700s all over again.

this is at the same time the war of words have been raised over gibraltar. Spain has insisted on any brexit deal having veto power over gibraltar, which it claims is theirs (it was spain's from 1501-1713, and has been Britian's ever since, when spain lost it at the same time they lost control of the netherlands. is that yours too, spain?)

    “The Spanish government is a little surprised by the tone which the United Kingdom has adopted, a country known for being phlegmatic,” Spanish Foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis said on Monday.

    Spain accused Britain of “losing its temper” over the issue. In response, Gibraltar’s Chief Minister, Fabian Picardo, said the EU was behaving like a “cuckolded husband who is taking it out on the children” by handing Spain a veto over the territory’s future, The Telegraph reported.

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Re: a united kingdom no more?

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:53 am

Although the world is still the same size, our technology has basically shrunken it down to a point where finite is going to become a bigger factor then in the past.
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