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For once, a solid Spider post.

Of course it won't "end" people being employed. There will always be a workforce of some kind. At issue is the requirements and prerequisites for joining that workforce. The simple fact is that the majority of people are not and will never be able to be a programmer. They will never understand how to write software or fix robots. There is a large swath of people who are incapable of performing any job beyond simplistic, routine tasks that require a minimal of intellectual ability. For most of history, these people become labourers of some sort. They work on production lines, they weed fields, they go into construction, etc. Of course, all of those jobs are going to go away. Automation will take over manufacturing, with limited jobs available for robot technicians. Cars will be diagnosed and fixed remotely, and car ownership itself will likely disappear. Construction will be done by giant 3D printers. Even labour mainstays like farming are undergoing a massive automation drive.

Now, it is conceivable, as your article mentions, that such people will turn into artists and therapists and yoga instructors - in other words, that the service industry will provide jobs for them. Of course the absurdity of a society where 80% of the population is dedicated to doing your nails or bringing you food is obvious. Such a society will never be sustainable because those services will not be able to justify any sort of living wage. When there are tens of millions of therapists and yoga instructors, how much can they really charge for their work?

Spider, to his credit, was absolutely correct to describe your beliefs as a religion. I hate to break it to you, but the Industrial Revolution was basically insignificant compared to the changes that we are seeing now. The internet, robots, AI, machine learning, cyber-enhancements, etc. have and will fundamentally change everything, not just how cloth is made or whether workers are paid piecemeal or hourly. It is an entirely different world. I would even go so far as to say that we are witnessing the birth of an entire new genus - homo digitalis. The closest historical analogy I can think of is the transition between hunter-gathering and agriculture, which altered every single aspect of humanity, even our genes and evolutionary direction.

i like how me using examples of what has always happened and claiming it will to continue to happen is "religion" while visions of the apocalypse by you luddites is clearly not the ranting and ravings of cultists at all. товарищи, i know you think your time has come at last, but it hasn't

the singularity is upon is. we cannot know what life will be like beyond it. until the singularity happens товарищ we will be stuck toiling along, and i don't think it will lead to horrible things like you think. the signularity defined is "the hypothesis that the invention of artificial superintelligence will abruptly trigger runaway technological growth, resulting in unfathomable changes to human civilization"

you on the other hand have said to me you think the internet is the singularity. it is not. you're right there will be massive changes, but it is not automation of jobs that will be causing it

if we look back at the game changers, we have fire and its subsequent cooking, language and the subsequent ability to create tribal societies that could interact, agriculture and animal husbandry and its subsequent food storage and ability for division of labor, industrialization and automation its subsequent on demand economy with near independence from agriculture, and finally the singularity (which i presume is the development of the hive-mind). note: automation is part of industrialization. now there's a lot of things that are all driven from those, e.g., vaccinations and sanitation, the wheel and plow, gunpowder and the rocket, but these are i think the big game changers. we are on the cusp of another, but it has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about

but even with the singularity people will find things to do with their lives afterward. i cannot know what will happen after the singularity but it is possible to become a post scarcity society at that point and then we will all be товарищи

the singularity is the emergence of superintelligence. the internet is not intelligent

if its been dead for some time, it must be why it is the way it is discussed everywhere that way except for inside of your head

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

also the word "singularity" means "the state, fact, quality, or condition of being singular.". you can't have the singularity already happen but also that requires future inputs, as you are bizarrely attempting to say. perhaps post-singularity you will learn how to read a dictionary