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This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Spider » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:28 pm

A couple of absolutely fake news items from the desk of The Great Improbable Apricot:

President Donald Trump continues to decry a record-high murder rate that simply doesn't exist.

The President said Tuesday that the US murder rate "is the highest it's been in 47 years."
"I'd say that in a speech and everybody was surprised because the press doesn't like to tell it like it is," Trump said during a meeting with US sheriffs at the White House. "It wasn't to their advantage to say that. The murder rate is the highest it's been in I guess 45-47 years."

But the reason there's no reporting on a 45- or 47-year high murder rate is because the US murder rate isn't even close to such record highs.


In actuality:
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US President Donald Trump has accused the media of under-reporting terror attacks, and produced a list to back up his claim. Is he right?
While on a visit to US Central Command, a wing of the Department of Defense, he warned of the danger posed by the Islamic State group.
"You have seen what happened in Paris and Nice. All over Europe it's happening," he said.
"It's gotten to a point where it's not even being reported. And in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.
"They have their reasons, and you understand that."
Later in the day, the White House published a list of attacks "executed or inspired" by IS. Before the list was published, press secretary Sean Spicer said there were "several instances" of attacks that had not gained sufficient media coverage (without specifying which fell into that category).
We have reproduced the list below, explaining in each case what happened and whether we reported on it.:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38890090 <--- Here. Not pasting in that complete and extensive curb stomping. But each item he claimed was "under reported" was covered in detail, usually with video footage. Which is the case nearly every time someone claims "the media" doesn't cover thins. A 5-second google dispels that idiocy instantly.

Also here, from the NYT, apparently one of the outlets Trump thinks is in on the conspiracy. Every item Trump referenced...covered in detail:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/us/politics/the-white-house-list-of-terror-attacks-underreported-by-media.html?_r=0


If you are operating under a bizarre belief that this stuff isn't being covered, or is even being "under reported", then you are willfully ignorant. As I've said dozens of times on these forums...every single time I've heard a claim about "the media" not reporting something, I can simply google it, and poof: Detailed and timely coverage, usually with video and photos and even analysis. All right there seconds away from anyone with a keyboard.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/index.html
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby John Galt » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:43 pm

yup. it's also important to note that the us homicide rate has dropped faster than nations who banned guns (UK, AUS) during that same time period (while the us was relaxing restrictions)

also where did you get the pic? i thought it was 3.9, not over 5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby fstarcstar » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:36 pm

It has seen a sharp increase over the past few years, that's for sure, but yes he is incorrect.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Spider » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:12 pm

fstarcstar wrote:It has seen a sharp increase over the past few years, that's for sure, but yes he is incorrect.


There is a meaningful distinction between being incorrect about something and flatly making something up, probably on the spot.

The takeaway from this, though, is his claim that the media "under-reports" terrorism is a lie. The provided exhaustive lists see this out.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Gremlin » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:26 pm

Trump likes the military and enforcement industrial complex.

That said I'd expect the number to continue to drop now that leftist have realized it's not a bad idea to own a gun. Government is a known killer.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Divinity11 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:08 am

Well, here in my lovely state of NC:

http://wncn.com/2016/06/12/proposed-nc- ... un-owners/

It's only a matter of time before Mr. Darwin rears his ugly head.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Homer » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:13 am

John Galt wrote:yup. it's also important to note that the us homicide rate has dropped faster than nations who banned guns (UK, AUS) during that same time period (while the us was relaxing restrictions)

also where did you get the pic? i thought it was 3.9, not over 5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate


Correlation is not Causation.

Firstly, the UK did not ban guns, it banned handguns.

Secondly, even before the handgun ban, the number of people who actually owned a handgun was absolutely tiny and statisically irrelevant as a factor in crime rates.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Spider » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:16 am

Australia really is a much better example of that phenomenon.
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby John Galt » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:00 am

Homer wrote:
John Galt wrote:yup. it's also important to note that the us homicide rate has dropped faster than nations who banned guns (UK, AUS) during that same time period (while the us was relaxing restrictions)

also where did you get the pic? i thought it was 3.9, not over 5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate


Correlation is not Causation.

Firstly, the UK did not ban guns, it banned handguns.

Secondly, even before the handgun ban, the number of people who actually owned a handgun was absolutely tiny and statisically irrelevant as a factor in crime rates.


it wasn't about gun crime going down, it was about all murders

the crime rate in nearly all western nations is higher than the united states. germany has double the crime rate of the united states for example, but zee germans are not as high as the UK http://www.nationmaster.com/country-inf ... s-per-1000
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Re: This Evening on the trump Fake News Hour

Postby Spider » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:42 pm

Already instantly thwarted by the "panicked" media, but still probably worthy of a quick post.



Donald Trump said Thursday that his victory in the 2016 election was "the biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan."

It's a claim that Trump has repeated numerous times since November. And by any measure, it is flatly and demonstrably false.

Trump officially received 304 electoral college votes when all the counting was over; he would have notched 306 from his performance on Election Day, but two "faithless" electors did not vote for him when the Electoral College met in December.

In comparison, in 2012, Barack Obama received 332 electoral votes. And that was significantly less than Obama's 2008 showing, when he won 365 electoral votes.

Trump's 304 total does not even mark the highest tally for just a Republican presidential candidate since the Reagan era. Republican George H.W. Bush won 426 electoral votes in 1988.

In fact, since Nixon's election in 1972, only two presidents - George W. Bush and Jimmy Carter - have received fewer electoral votes than Trump in a general election.

Presented with that set of facts during his Thursday press conference, Trump demurred, saying only that he "was given" the data citing his historic victory.

"I don't know, I was given that information. I actually, I've seen that information around," he told NBC News. "But it was a very substantial victory, do you agree with that?"

The president declined to answer NBC's question about why Americans should trust him after he repeated the untrue figure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-electoral-college-win-was-not-biggest-reagan-n722016
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