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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby NAB » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:24 pm

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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby John Galt » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:25 pm

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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby Spider » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:49 pm

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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:08 pm

I'm thinking about taking up twittering just to piss everyone off in that world too.
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby ToddStarnes » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:12 pm

I'm still curious what dialogue the gun types on this forum think can be had. It's kind of telling that I'm getting crickets in response to that question
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby John Galt » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:27 pm

it's off topic, so i ignore it rather than indulge. this is twitter wars man
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby Spider » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:33 pm

ToddStarnes wrote:I'm still curious what dialogue the gun types on this forum think can be had. It's kind of telling that I'm getting crickets in response to that question


No you aren't. You just choose to inject insults into the same posts and of course that only distracts from the question.
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby Spider » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:34 pm

spacemonkey wrote:I'm thinking about taking up twittering just to piss everyone off in that world too.


Just open an account and paste in your PCF posts. You've basically been tweeting all along.
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby ToddStarnes » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:36 pm

I'm quite curious actually. What conversation could be had? As you said, any limitations we even discuss will result in massive efforts by gun owners to proactively undermine that limitation. You also said we aren't allowed to discuss any regulations because that will cause proliferation (which will naturally be our fault, as per you).

So what's the groundwork for a discussion, exactly?
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Re: Twitter Wars

Postby Spider » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:14 pm

ToddStarnes wrote:I'm quite curious actually. What conversation could be had? As you said, any limitations we even discuss will result in massive efforts by gun owners to proactively undermine that limitation. You also said we aren't allowed to discuss any regulations because that will cause proliferation (which will naturally be our fault, as per you).

No, I didn't say you aren't "allowed" to do anything. What I did say was:
I'm not telling you what to do or what to say. I'm not even suggesting anything policy related. I'm merely observing a really obvious phenomenon that's been repeated so many times and observed for so long that it's flatly irrational to ignore it. It's not a trick...it's a tally of gun sales compared to a timeline of events.


^That's it. Anything else is on you and your assumptions and leaps to conclusions.

So what's the groundwork for a discussion, exactly?


My personal belief is that gun ownership will continue to decline, as it has been steadily doing for decades. I think as long as the news media points cameras at idiots carrying out mass shootings, mass shootings will continue, in spite of those reductions in gun ownership. And I think eventually guns will be massively restricted and a long term program of gun turn ins, buy backs, or special circumstances seizures will be carried out. I think the passage of time will result in the effective end of the second amendment as the gun lobby continues to decline in power and generational attitudes towards outdoorsmanship and gun ownership shifts in favor of disarmament.

On that basis, I think the discussion should not be centered on anything related to a "ban". Because the instant that word is said or heard...the discussion is already over and a line is forming at the gun shop. To work, this will need to be done very gradually, and in such a way as to find a middle ground acceptable to gun owners over time. This will have to be a long term process, since of course, a simple amendment nullifying the Second Amendment is entirely impossible politically.

I mean...look here on this board. Several gun owners you can talk to any time you like. Are we opposed to getting rid of bump stocks, trigger cranks, or even insane capacity magazines? Nope. I'm fine with all of that. I'm not terribly involved in handguns, and I have no problem with severe restrictions on their sale and very careful regulation of them, considering that they represent about 100 times the gun violence contribution of any sort of rifle. Winchester would probably disagree with me there. I'm very open to a lot of gun control discussion, though I won't speak for those who refuse to give an inch.

Anyways, that's my suggestion. Don't look for a quick fix. Start very small, and have a little consideration for the liberties and traditions of others. As soon as I hear someone going on about NRA this, bla bla for example that's been found in this thread, I'm out. Very little patience for that sort of knuckle dragging.

Galt is right though, wrong thread. Make one or something if you want to talk in circles through exactly the same gun control debate we've been having for a decade+
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