GAMEDAY!!!!

[John Galt]

i understand that, but my point is not that people didn't go vote in the numbers like the last few elections as it's not that much less than obama's 08 win and it's more than the numbers of the 12 election: it's that they didn't vote for hillary clinton. once you count 3rd parties you realize it wasn't about people sitting at home

[Spider]

It matters quite a lot when Clinton is losing Obama states like Wisconsin and PA and MI by less than 1%.

Its tempting to blame those millions of third party voters for Trump, but we'd really need to see a breakdown of who pulled more votes from whom....

Didn't help that the media had been telling everyone for months that it was in the bag for Clinton. Practically telling them, "Hey. Vote third party! Protest vote! And why not, right? Everyone says Clinton is a sure thing!"

[Philly]

[John Galt]

a coworker told me he voted for trump. i doubt he would have told me that had trump lost, but he did win and he told me. he knows i can launch into political and histocial discussions all the time unlike most people i work with (i work with mostly comp sci people who, while they don't really pay attention to politics, didn't want trump). he told me he thought about Johnson, until he heard Obama claim that a vote for any third party candidate was a vote for trump. he decided, no it's a vote for hillary. im not really sure any of that makes sense, but he was driven to vote for trump because he wanted to say, no, a vote for trump is a vote for trump.

i voted for Johnson. i'm not particularly proud of it, but i felt i had to vote for my party of choice, even if the candidate was a complete buffoon, since i knew he had no chance. minnesota almost went trump by the way -- had 15,000 people voted for trump instead of hillary it would have gone trump. had one 4th of the people who voted for johnson -- who was the top 3rd party candidate in minnesota -- voted for trump, he would have won. and you can believe that most people who vote libertarian struggle with voting republican and libertarian, and don't consider democrats. if anything, in minnesota, third parties contributed to hillary's win of the state

actually so i did the number for you. i roughly guessed where they might end up if they were forced to actually choose between trump and clinton and couldn't chose neither



third party cost Trump Minnesota, i think it's pretty clear.

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