Abolish the death penalty
Re: Abolish the death penalty
by spacemonkey » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:30 pm
The hardest part of doing nothing is knowing when your done.
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by ToddStarnes » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:54 pm
Compelling stuff. Which scientific field(s) do you believe offers the tools to ascertain with 100% certainty guilt in each murder case?
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by John Galt » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:21 am
All punishment is irrevocable. Spending a night in jail is irrevocable. Complaints about hour a punishment is irrevocable are worthless.
In the end your problem is with the idea of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt not being good enough. If you had any bit of consistency you would also state that all punishments should only be meted out against the actual guilty, because that's why you are against the death penalty.
I accept that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is not for sure guilty in the sense of that they in truth did it. But i must have confidence in that it else the entire justice system is worthless. I know lawyers suck but I wouldn't just claim they are all so incompetent that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt isn't a good enough standard
In the end your problem is with the idea of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt not being good enough. If you had any bit of consistency you would also state that all punishments should only be meted out against the actual guilty, because that's why you are against the death penalty.
I accept that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is not for sure guilty in the sense of that they in truth did it. But i must have confidence in that it else the entire justice system is worthless. I know lawyers suck but I wouldn't just claim they are all so incompetent that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt isn't a good enough standard
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by Philly » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:58 am
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The f**k Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by ToddStarnes » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:18 am
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by John Galt » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:03 am
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by John Galt » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:08 am
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by lnrw » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:20 am
John, I'm going to take my time with this.
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Re: Abolish the death penalty
by spacemonkey » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:43 am
The hardest part of doing nothing is knowing when your done.
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