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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Spider » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:26 pm

Anyone giving odds on the UK government finding a way to wiggle out of this entirely? Cameron is bowing out and leaving the actual invocation of Article 50 to whatever sad sack comes next. Delaying. The UK now stands an excellent chance of of dissolving completely as Scotland and N Eire clearly want nothing to do with this idiocy. Still worth it, UK, if half your country erects two middle fingers and walks? And the referendum itself isn't actually even binding in any legal sense. Government can still say f**k no. The Leavers are now reneging on their asinine promises. Damn near fraud, frankly, the shit they were telling people. Obviously market access without the corresponding freedom of movement isn't the sort of thing the EU will tolerate, if for no other reason than as a matter of precedent. Public opinion seems to be shifting towards "Oh shit we've f**k up" rather than "Go home, brown people!" Given the age and education gap between leave and stay, the future political gains from this are nonexistent.

The Brits should get a do-over. Not that they deserve one.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Saz » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:17 am

Spider wrote:Anyone giving odds on the UK government finding a way to wiggle out of this entirely? Cameron is bowing out and leaving the actual invocation of Article 50 to whatever sad sack comes next. Delaying. The UK now stands an excellent chance of of dissolving completely as Scotland and N Eire clearly want nothing to do with this idiocy. Still worth it, UK, if half your country erects two middle fingers and walks? And the referendum itself isn't actually even binding in any legal sense. Government can still say f**k no. The Leavers are now reneging on their asinine promises. Damn near fraud, frankly, the shit they were telling people. Obviously market access without the corresponding freedom of movement isn't the sort of thing the EU will tolerate, if for no other reason than as a matter of precedent. Public opinion seems to be shifting towards "Oh shit we've f**k up" rather than "Go home, brown people!" Given the age and education gap between leave and stay, the future political gains from this are nonexistent.

The Brits should get a do-over. Not that they deserve one.


That became less likely not that Boris is out. Boris wasn't really that anti-immigration, he is just an opportunity politicians who massively miscalculated here. But May and Gove are anti-emigrant making it nearly impossible for them to bend on the immigration issue, which means no single market access.Good luck explaining to people that "given the age and education gap" we are ignoring the vote.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Kane » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:21 am

Stephen Jay Gould wrote:When people learn no tools of judgment and merely follow their hopes, the seeds of political manipulation are sown.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Saz » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:59 pm

Kane wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-01/u-s-30-year-yield-at-record-low-in-el-erian-s-slower-growth-era

Fear over uncertainty.


“But there will come a day when productivity in the U.S. will pick up, growth in the U.S. will pick up, and these interest rates will go up, and when that day comes investors have to be prepared.”

Treasuries investors have heard that one before.


lmao, that is obviously the next disaster in the marking. 12 trillion of negative yield bonds. Added a trillion just this month alone. What the f**k happens when rates rise? These people are going to be absolutely wiped out. The whole thing is an absolute perversion of the free market and it's time the world wake up to the fact that these people have no idea what they are doing.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:07 pm

I bet a lot of people at the casinos wish they had a do over.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Doncorelone » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:08 pm

Scotland can go and NI can go back to the Republic, I wouldn't shed a tear, however they won't leave the UK, EU members do not want to set a precedent of constituent parts of their respective nations wanting to be sovereign within the EU. I'm not one for harking back to the Empire or whatnot, but I always have the line of thought that similar sized nations (Such as South Korea) are not part of a EU type institutions and are doing fine, I don't see how it would be any different for us, in fact, I stumbled upon this, food for thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Kor ... _relations
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:04 am

Maybe the EU should be just a trade and travel agreement, and the nations immigration and other policy should remain under each member nation, not central control.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Doncorelone » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:16 am

What I don't understand is how Jean Claude Juncker has not lost his job, he literally lost a piece of Europe on his watch.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Saz » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:58 pm

Doncorelone wrote:What I don't understand is how Jean Claude Juncker has not lost his job, he literally lost a piece of Europe on his watch.


The piece that no one wanted. Britain just dragged it's feet and bitched through the whole process, and stole the financial crown in the process. Many, if not most, are glad the UK is finally out.
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Re: Brexit and the future of the EU

Postby Doncorelone » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:35 pm

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