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Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Ready-for-the-worse » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:43 am

Have you seen an article written by Sen. Klobuchar that shows the main reasons why she believes in the Iran nuke agreement?
1. It curbs Iran's ability to develop a nuclear weapon.
2. Sanctions can be reimposed and the military option remains on the table.
3. Rejecting the agreement would lead to a splintering of the international partnership that has been critical to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
4. This agreement will move in parallel with increased commitments to security assistance for Israel and our other allies in the region.

Why I Am Supporting the Iran Nuclear Agreement*|*Sen. Amy Klobuchar

Sorry, but that's not really working for me. I don't believe Barry and his minions since the Obamacare.
The current administration is trying to worsen the relations with Israel for about a year already. What should make me believe they'll take the Israeli needs into account?
Moreover the Iranians openly say that nothing will change in their relations with the West after they get the enriched uranium. So we'll have the same enemy but a bit more dangerous!
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Indy » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:00 pm

Yes, Barry and his minions are trying to worsen relations with Israel, which should be our utmost priority: relations with Israel. Because we're the United States of Israel and Bibi is our elected president. Everybody knows that.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Medius » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:38 pm

Indy wrote:Yes, Barry and his minions are trying to worsen relations with Israel, which should be our utmost priority: relations with Israel. Because we're the United States of Israel and Bibi is our elected president. Everybody knows that.


I don't care if Israel likes our deals or not, but the arguments for this deal are on the far side of desperation at this point. I'm against sanctions and I'm actually starting to think there is something really bad about this deal with how full of desperation stink these arguments are getting. They'd be better off just sticking to the "Republicans want war with Iran" argument and just leave it only at that.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Philly » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:44 pm

Ready-for-the-worse wrote:Moreover the Iranians openly say that nothing will change in their relations with the West after they get the enriched uranium. So we'll have the same enemy but a bit more dangerous!

Well this is the only point you made that addresses any of the 4 items from the piece. And given that it came from an ironclad source such as public statements on behalf of the Iranian government, I am forced to rethink the whole matter.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Kane » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:41 am

So here's what the US can do re Iran at this point:

f**k the deal. Put those sanctions back on that bad boy. Punish them. And watch market share of US interests in the country erode further while the Chinese and Russians continue to benefit. This way our global competitors benefit, Iran suffers, and they still get the fissile material for making a bomb unless...

We attack them. This, attacking Iranian facilities suspected of housing the development of weapons grade uranium/plutonium, would start the largest f**k we've seen in our lives. The region would descend further into chaos, we'd have to lean f**k hard on Saudi Arabia and Israel, and f**k pray. This would make Iraq, by comparison, look like a stroke of f**k genius. It is the dumbest idea I have seen to date. In a twist of hilarity, it would place Israel in extreme danger as well (I imagine after this attack they'd have to contend with a serious barrage of attacks by proxy - hezbollah in the north at least). I say a twist of hilarity because it's what Netanyahu has been pining for (OMG IRAN HAS THE BOMB WE'RE GONNA DIE).

OR....OR....

We pass this resolution, lift the sanctions, open the markets to ever more oil, and allow investment to take the place of military aggression. Is it a perfect plan? No. Does it make Iran do exactly what we want them to do? No. Tough shit. Get a grip on yourself and focus on the end goal: that country has a vast number of younger people that identify less with the ruling regime and more with the social norms more often associated with the West. Take your time on the country, allow the leadership to moderate, and go from there. Be f**k pragmatic about this shit.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Kane » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:44 am

And don't feed me the bullshit about the sanctions not being strict enough. You can make them as strict as legally possible, it will do ZERO to deter them from developing the bomb if that's your stated end goal. If you press them that hard, you're just prompting them to work harder towards their own goal. On top of that, you're again just making it harder for the US to have any chance of having any impact or involvement in that country's economic development. This country has the potential, it just lacks the leadership.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Indy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:00 am

Kane, they're not even strict enough. And I'm tired of libtards standing in the way of doin' what needs doin': bombing Iran. The only way those Iranian towel-head Arab motherf***ers are gonna get a nuke is if we shove one up their ass, and then it's Miller Time as we watch Tehran glow.

People in that part of the world have a choice: they can accept Jesus and liberty, or they can burn in the inferno, courtesy of the U.S. of f***in A.

They can taste the freedom, or they can burn in it.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Medius » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:46 am

Indy wrote:Kane, they're not even strict enough. And I'm tired of libtards standing in the way of doin' what needs doin': bombing Iran. The only way those Iranian towel-head Arab motherf***ers are gonna get a nuke is if we shove one up their ass, and then it's Miller Time as we watch Tehran glow.

People in that part of the world have a choice: they can accept Jesus and liberty, or they can burn in the inferno, courtesy of the U.S. of f***in A.

They can taste the freedom, or they can burn in it.


They don't have to accept Jesus.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Indy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:02 am

Oh the hell they don't! The moment they turned their backs on Christ and accepted the devil prophet as their God they became enemies of the planet and of course the United States of America, which was created in God's image and will soon be, God-willing, ruled under his law--a CHRISTIAN God, not some camel jockey speaking that language of theirs and come to think of it that's another thing: they need to learn how to speak f***in English too.

These people have a choice: they can go down the devil's path and deny Christ/America or they can join the team and come on in for the big win.
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Re: Why they support the Iran nuclear deal

Postby Medius » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:20 am

Indy wrote:Oh the hell they don't! The moment they turned their backs on Christ and accepted the devil prophet as their God they became enemies of the planet and of course the United States of America, which was created in God's image and will soon be, God-willing, ruled under his law--a CHRISTIAN God, not some camel jockey speaking that language of theirs and come to think of it that's another thing: they need to learn how to speak f***in English too.

These people have a choice: they can go down the devil's path and deny Christ/America or they can join the team and come on in for the big win.


Israel. India.

You need to study harder to be a proper extreme right-winger. So long as Christians can come in safely as missionaries, religions don't have to change.

All the middle east has to do is play nice with Israel, give us cheap oil, let us try to convert them, and not get too friendly with our frenemies.
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