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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Philly » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:14 pm

Saz wrote:
Philly2 wrote:I agree with all of that Saz. That's why I think he is ok. I will not support him, but if he gets the nomination, I wouldn't be terrified of the consequences should he win. As for the rest of that mental hospital field trip to Ohio...God help us.


Yea, but I have to say that debate was worthwhile just for Kasich. He won't win but I think at this point the GOP candidate would have to be an idiot not to put him on the ticket as VP. Bush(Florida) and Kasich (Ohio) with the Bush machine behind them and a clueless f**k hillary opposing them is the only scenario in which I think the reptiles can win the electoral college.

The ones that get me are Rubio and Walker. What the f**k does anyone see in these two? Rubio is like a f**k kid in his dads suit, it amazes me he hasn't had some Sarah Palin moment yet. Reptiles are also idiot racists, they can't tell cubans from f**k mexicans. Cubans are already blood red, the party needs mexicans not a constituency that has already shown itself unable to deliver a W in Florida.

If the nominee is Bush, Kasich seems like a solid runningmate. That said, I'm tempted to go Rubio or Fiorina just cause...you know...two old white guys: great for the Pubbies primary, not great for general election. If Clinton turns out NOT to be the nominee, defeinitely go Fiorina and play the identity politics hard.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Saz » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:19 pm

You aren't going to out shitlib the shitlibs. And you aren't going to win any hispanics who matter by running a Cuban with downs syndrome. Of course, all of this is political strategy and up for debate, but the reptiles best chance is to run two reasonable guys with reasonable republican policies. Trying to one up the shitlibs with a woman or minority will not persuade any of them. But I think with two popular governors from the two most important and very close states, that might be enough to flip the math in favor of the reptiles. Remeber the presidential election is not a national election. None of you f**k matter. It's Me (FL), Non, (CO), lol Menson(NH), Ohio and Virginia. You can snatch the bulk of that in FL and Ohio and it's not like Hillary is going to kill it in VA or CO.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Philly » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:26 pm

That's true. But Rubio doesn't have turn the hispanic vote on its head to make a difference, Just fare better than average for a Republican and you have a great chance at Colorado.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Saz » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:15 am

Yea, but Bush will do better with Hispanics. The Bush family is to Hispanics what the Clintons are to blacks, honorary members of the tribe. Bush speaks fluent Spanish, has Hispanic sons, and despite being a wealthy kid from a prestigious family, married a Mexican girl well before anyone could accuse him of doing it for politics. He was a popular governor of the most relevant swing state.

Rubio is an idiot who is literally riding on his race and age. No issue with that per se, Obama did it. But Obama had some substance behind it. I seriously think Rubio is just dumb. Not Sarah plain dumb, but probably not any brighter than your average umiami political science grad. Most importantly, Rubio has shown he will bitch out on immigration to get elected. Heb won't do that.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Kane » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:26 am

Saz wrote:
Davethulhu wrote:Reminder:

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If you're going to have the chief architect of the Iraq war as one of your advisors, you should rightly draw fire in regards to your position on it.


Yes, but Heb is twice as smart as his brother. The problem with W was he didn't know very much and wanted to seem "strong" so he was easily led in the wrong direction. Notice HW did an excellent job on foreign policy with many of the same advisors. Ultimately what matters most is who the buck stops with.

Besides, W had many of the same as HW so you would think they wouldn't have such a f**k up, and yet they did. Judge the leader not their minions.


Anybody remember what HW did before he became POTUS? Anybody? Something that might lend to his abilities re foreign policy? And then...not that I disagree with the assessment in a relative sense however...anybody recall Somalia? Under HW?

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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Saz » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:41 am

Good lord, you even talk like you are writing a f**k buzzfeed article. I think we found the new Indy.

And did anybody say Jeb was more qualified than HW? Anybody? BUELLER?

Yeah....
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby The dane » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:53 am

It's not so important who is to blame, what is important is how to avoid similar mistakes in the future, and the answer is to not vote for people like Bush or Clinton. They both say that the war was a mistake, but if you listen to their comments on foreign policy, it is clear that they would still do the same in a similar situation.

Sanders and Paul would not make this mistake.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby eynon81 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:26 am

Philly2 wrote:That's true. But Rubio doesn't have turn the hispanic vote on its head to make a difference, Just fare better than average for a Republican and you have a great chance at Colorado.


about that.....
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby eynon81 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:27 am

Saz wrote:it's not like Hillary is going to kill it in VA or CO.



this is true....
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Indy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:17 am

The dane wrote:It's not so important who is to blame, what is important is how to avoid similar mistakes in the future, and the answer is to not vote for people like Bush or Clinton. They both say that the war was a mistake, but if you listen to their comments on foreign policy, it is clear that they would still do the same in a similar situation.

Sanders and Paul would not make this mistake.


I totally agree with this.
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