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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Kane » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:54 pm

Saz wrote:Good lord, you even talk like you are writing a f**k buzzfeed article. I think we found the new Indy.

And did anybody say Jeb was more qualified than HW? Anybody? BUELLER?

Yeah....


I wasn't making an assessment either way. I was pointing out what qualifications made them merely acceptable for the position and what factors might have affected the foreign policy of the candidates/ex Presidents.

Yeah...
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Davethulhu » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:01 pm

Saz wrote:Yea, but Bush will do better with Hispanics. The Bush family is to Hispanics what the Clintons are to blacks, honorary members of the tribe. Bush speaks fluent Spanish, has Hispanic sons, and despite being a wealthy kid from a prestigious family, married a Mexican girl well before anyone could accuse him of doing it for politics. He was a popular governor of the most relevant swing state.

Rubio is an idiot who is literally riding on his race and age. No issue with that per se, Obama did it. But Obama had some substance behind it. I seriously think Rubio is just dumb. Not Sarah plain dumb, but probably not any brighter than your average umiami political science grad. Most importantly, Rubio has shown he will bitch out on immigration to get elected. Heb won't do that.


You make some good points, but it feels like Bush is doing really poorly at campaigning right now. For example, the whole "knowing what we know now" Iraq thing is something that should easily have been predicted and met with some sort of focus tested answer rather than the mess that it ended up being. Assuming Trump flames out, he's probably also going to face backlash from the tea party types.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Philly » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:05 pm

Davethulhu wrote:
Saz wrote:Yea, but Bush will do better with Hispanics. The Bush family is to Hispanics what the Clintons are to blacks, honorary members of the tribe. Bush speaks fluent Spanish, has Hispanic sons, and despite being a wealthy kid from a prestigious family, married a Mexican girl well before anyone could accuse him of doing it for politics. He was a popular governor of the most relevant swing state.

Rubio is an idiot who is literally riding on his race and age. No issue with that per se, Obama did it. But Obama had some substance behind it. I seriously think Rubio is just dumb. Not Sarah plain dumb, but probably not any brighter than your average umiami political science grad. Most importantly, Rubio has shown he will bitch out on immigration to get elected. Heb won't do that.


You make some good points, but it feels like Bush is doing really poorly at campaigning right now. For example, the whole "knowing what we know now" Iraq thing is something that should easily have been predicted and met with some sort of focus tested answer rather than the mess that it ended up being. Assuming Trump flames out, he's probably also going to face backlash from the tea party types.

Bush's whole plan requires him facing backlash from the Tea Party. He understands that a Republican candidate not willing to endure this will discredit himself to swing voters come the general. He has decided to take the harder path to getting the nomination because taking the easy path will make him another Mitt Romney. I'm not saying he's going to win, but he's making the right choice in this regard.
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Indy » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:29 am

Well for some of you harboring the fantasy that Jeb has a reasonable take on Iraq and what his brother did, we can dismantle that once and for all. Did ya hear?

Jeb now says that taking out Saddam turned out to be a "pretty good deal."

:| :-o

Seriously these people are just batshit crazy or just that dishonest. Good deal for whom?
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Re: Bush, Clinton Trade Blame Over Iraq War

Postby Philly » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:54 am

The real question is why should I care that Jeb Bush says it was "a good deal" vs. Hillary Clinton saying it was bad. The fact is that Clinton's epiphany on Iraq being a bad idea came about at the exact same time that opposition to the Iraq War became a political requirement for a future in Democratic elected politics. That alone is not so bad. Policies are supported, prove to be disastrous, and lessons are learned. But nothing since her change of heart on Iraq has shown me that she approaches foreign policy any differently now than she did before. This isn't some angsty "both parties are the same" post. Hillary Clinton in particular is very keen on the use of military force as a Plan A.
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