NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
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NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by John Galt » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:02 pm
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by eynon81 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:09 pm
holy shit I'm probably on so many lists....
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by Winchester » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:17 pm
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by Indy » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:23 pm
You just beat me to it with the Kevin Bacon remark...
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by spacemonkey » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:27 pm
Wouldn't suprise me if the NSA wound up on its own shit list.
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by Charai » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:36 pm
Movie idea. NSA analyst finds out he is on one of the top secret watch list. He tries to remove himself from it and gets tangled in a web of lies and decit that could threaten to bring down the goverment. As he runs across the globe trying to put an end to this out of control goverment program, FBI Agent Barry Osama is hot on his tail, and determined to stop him at all costs.
Shame that breitbart guy died or I could have sold him the rights.
Shame that breitbart guy died or I could have sold him the rights.
Who let these Heaux in my thread?
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by Professor » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:36 am
A question that I've been mulling for a while.
I don't think that anyone can doubt that it's legal to monitor the conversations of non-citizens overseas. Morality aside, it's legal for the NSA or anyone else to monitor the phone conversations of one buy in Pakistan with another guy in Turkey.
To me, the question is, "Is it legal to monitor a conversation between a guy in Pakistan and a person in the US?"
My solution, which admittedly involves the sacrifice of some liberty and freedom, would be to answer that question "NO", unless the other end of the conversation ended in a certain nation which was identified by the State Department as a "watch" country. North Korea, Cuba, Pakistan, Iran, etc.
For instance, if I called someone in Spain, it would be illegal for the US to listen to my conversation. If I called Pakistan, it'd be legal. But, publicize those lists and practices, so that I know that my conversations are being recorded. After all, if I know that I'm being recorded, then it's not illegal (according to wiretap laws).
I don't think that anyone can doubt that it's legal to monitor the conversations of non-citizens overseas. Morality aside, it's legal for the NSA or anyone else to monitor the phone conversations of one buy in Pakistan with another guy in Turkey.
To me, the question is, "Is it legal to monitor a conversation between a guy in Pakistan and a person in the US?"
My solution, which admittedly involves the sacrifice of some liberty and freedom, would be to answer that question "NO", unless the other end of the conversation ended in a certain nation which was identified by the State Department as a "watch" country. North Korea, Cuba, Pakistan, Iran, etc.
For instance, if I called someone in Spain, it would be illegal for the US to listen to my conversation. If I called Pakistan, it'd be legal. But, publicize those lists and practices, so that I know that my conversations are being recorded. After all, if I know that I'm being recorded, then it's not illegal (according to wiretap laws).
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Re: NSA gather's data for '3 hops' from 'terrorist'
by Stratego » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:07 am
Sigmund Freud defined four parts of a psyche; the id, the ego, the superego and the stratego. The Stratego being the highest form of morality and scientific thinking.
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