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Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby Stratego » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:50 pm

I see this poster circulating on facebook and I'm not quite sure if it's pro-Communist or anti-Communist. The rest of the page seems to be very anti-Communist so I think this might be too. Also the hammer and sickle is on the word "extorted."

However, it is promoting a model very similar to the one used in Soviet Russia. Pay no income tax, but still have roads and schools...and wars. If ordinary citizens don't pay taxes, but there is still tax revenue, it means we either tax the rich or have state-owned enterprises, right?
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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby Spider » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:10 pm

Prior to 1913 the government was able to be so tiny that it got by on excise and tariffs. People were paying taxes, just not on income. So...very disingenuous point. Used to be relatively cheap to have a military. No need to pay for expensive modern benefits. Get a bunch of guys, buy them boots and simple rifles, feed them beans. Or operate steam or sailing warships, as opposed to computerized nuclear city-ships that burn through a few million bucks every time someone pushes a red button that says FIRE. Also, the military was very small compared to what it would become during WW2 and the Cold War, and the scale of the wars it fought was about perfectly suited to its size.

As to everything else....things just used to be a lot cheaper. Labor was cheap. Infrastructure was basic. Regulations were minimal. You needed a road built? Find some guys, give them shovels, pay them a pittance, and done. No need for a thousand pages of workplace safety regs, SAIF, OSHA, DEQ, EPA, and the army of lawyers to juggle it all. Healthcare? What healthcare? Boiled water, bone saws, and linen bandages, as opposed to MRI's, heart transplants, and radiotherapy? Completely nuts to compare a century ago to today as if there is any sort of equivalence. There just isn't.

As to communism...this has nothing whatsoever to do with it either way. Dunno how it even reminds anyone of communism.

Don't interpret this to mean I don't agree with the advancements we've made. I think its awful the way peoples health, lives, and security were thrown away to build a cheap (Insert project X), or the way the environment was pillaged for expedience. Or that military used to be more of a forced grunting match, rather than a professional, volunteer service, where people are reasonably well paid and supported medically and in retirement.

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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:15 pm

We weren't propping up a useless but profitable military industrial complex in those days.

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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby The Dude » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:41 pm

States had income taxes, property taxes, and capital gains taxes prior to 1913 to pay for colleges and roads. There only wasn't an income tax federally until 1913 (except for the small post civil war stint) and as pointed out, only because it wasn't legal and tariffs were enough to handle our small costs.

It is so dumb to compare us living as farmers to today.
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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby Professor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:08 pm

That poster is actually pretty good.

It give you a very quick indication that you are dealing with someone who values form over substance. If I were you, I'd send that person an e-mail asking for a $100 donation to make sure that Obama doesn't get re-elected in 2016.
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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

Postby eynon81 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:21 pm

as others have brought up...fighting fascists and communists on a global scale was way f**k expensive.

yes we had a military before 1913, it was pretty much crap...although WW2 showed that with a huge industrial base and advanced technology you can go from crap to freakin's awesome real fast.
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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

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Re: Can't tell if this is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist

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