We're so f*cked

[John Galt]

we're talking about the liberty of one overriding the life of another. and this is the fundamental debate, one which you cannot reconcile that other people even can possibly think. i very much understand the personal liberty angle. it's why i can also see the argument for "the liberty to enslave people" as being an argument people actually had, as i find that and an argument for a "liberty to kill people" lines of arguments analogous (both are centered on the idea of ownership of one person over another), and i can sympathize with reasons why people make them.

but the point is people were really making the argument in their heads. they really do feel they were choosing between a child molester and a child murderer. which would you choose? no, can't argue with how they are defining it. it's impossible. can't argue. we're stepping into the shoes of an alabaman voter.. you are given two choices (well 3, you can choose not to choose at all): 1. child molester, likely guilty, if i vote for him it may be interpreted as i am supporting him in what he has personally done but he does deny the allegations so there is that to assuage my conscience, 2. child murder supporter, stated he will continue to support the murder of children, if i vote for him i am voting to support the murder of children, 3. abstain.

[Spider]

From that tack, the fundamental debate is simply that of defining personhood. Which is how every abortion debate comes full circle. Have fun with that, Bertrand.

But the remainder of your post simply reaffirms what I said. You are calling fetuses children, irrationally applying personhood to them in order to thereby emotionally throw out words like murder.

This is why abortion debates are pointless. You will never stop calling a fetus a person, and I will never pretend that they are for the sake of argument. Its a forehead, meet wall discussion.

I understand that a lot of people voting in that election feel this way. Where I disagree is that they viewed it as a choice between those two conditions. Personally, I'm betting they honestly have been sequestered by the "fake news" idiocy and truly believe the whole thing is made up, and that the media is calling the shots. I think those who voted for Moore most likely live in that fake news bubble and simply have no idea what's going on...the ones who actually believed the news about Moore but supported him anyways....have got to be relatively few.

I've got way too much respect for the people of Alabama to think they actually believed Moore was a pedophile and voted for him anyway because they were that little bit less put off by child molestation. Moore played the Godly Man/Religion! card hard. It's the core of his whole schtick. His supporters think the news is fake. Has to be.

[exploited]

[The Comrade]

well i know a canadian in this thread whho isn't a person so that narrows things down a little.

[Kane]

[Kane]

lol

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/politics/ ... index.html

Look at Putin praising Trump. He must be good!

[spacemonkey]

The scary thing is it wasn't a landslide decision against supposed child molester. It almost went the other way.

[John Galt]

i'm looking into the alleged hacking, and i'll let ya'll know

[ToddStarnes]

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