Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Supposn » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:56 am

I have seen Toyota signs claiming their USA assembled vehicles as being more than 90% made in USA.

The cost of a vehicle to the producer or importer is not the same as the price to the retail purchaser. I suspect Toyota’s claimed extent of their USA assembled vehicles “made in the USA” portion is justified by sophistry.
I believe they are based upon the production costs of the vehicles plus many non-production costs.

Merchandising, warranty support, dealers’ preparation services and product distribution within the USA are increase costs to the vehicle dealers but similar to such products as extended warranty insurance) and the dealer may itemize some of these value added products upon their sales invoices, but they are not vehicle production or production supporting costs.

Many tasks require geographic proximity and many others benefit from such proximity.
I have noticed foreign nations of origin and/or words and symbols on even USA assembled vehicles. I have doubts as to what portions of those vehicles' components and materials are derived from USA rather than foreign labor. I question Toyota’s claim that their USA assembled vehicles are actually over 90% USA made.

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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby NAB » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:05 am

You believe and have doubts. Ok, got any stats to back it up?

I do know the cost of living in Japan is approx 25% higher than the US is on average, so the labor force in the US should come at a savings to Japanese automakers. At least it would appear so at first blush.
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby John Galt » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:05 am

http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/cars-made-in-america/

in order to be considered "made in america" for this list, 75% of parts must be actually made in america
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby NAB » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:08 am

John Galt wrote:http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/cars-made-in-america/

in order to be considered "made in america" for this list, 75% of parts must be actually made in america


To dogpile on Galts post


http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/new ... n-u-s.html
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby spacemonkey » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:19 am

Back when we made what we used, the economy was strong. Now that we don't, its not. World trade is fine, where we screwed up is we sent the entire factory instead of just the product. The only question left is how far down does our standards have to go before we achieve the status of world class?
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Saz » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:34 am

Yea, Toyota def is not lying because there is a litany of trade agreement, multilateral and bilateral, that strictly lay out rules for nation of origin and requisite content levels. Long story short Toyota would have been sued by some scheming lawyer if they were claiming American made when it wouldn't be designated that way under the relevant agreements.

Most stuff that says made in USA is really made in USA. US is the words largest and most mature market. It's not hard to source 75% of parts or do final assembly in a continental market of 300 million.
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Spider » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:04 pm

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https://www.cars.com/articles/the-2016-carscom-american-made-index-1420684865874/

Yep. Though 90% might be pushing it?

Japanese and Korean companies love to build cars here, and American companies can't wait to build cars somewhere else. You have to go six notches down that list to find an American brand.

And the specific reporting on sourcing for parts content is highly regulated, as Saz pointed out. The parts content is actually on the window stickers of the individual cars on the lot by law, if you check.
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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Supposn » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:15 am

John Galt wrote:http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/cars-made-in-america/

in order to be considered "made in america" for this list, 75% of parts must be actually made in america


John Galt, the fortune magazine article does not state if Toyota’s truly complies with Cars.Com’s qualifying “American made index”, (AMI) number.
Car.Com’s AMI is a rank position number and I doubt if it can be considered as an authoritative source of information. CarComp is a subsidiary of the TENGA corporation; they’re dependent revenues derived from their clients. I assume vehicle producers are among their clients.

I thank you for your response; due to your post I know more now (than before).

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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Supposn » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:59 am

NAB wrote:You believe and have doubts. Ok, got any stats to back it up?

I do know the cost of living in Japan is approx 25% higher than the US is on average, so the labor force in the US should come at a savings to Japanese automakers. At least it would appear so at first blush.


Nab, thanks to John Galt I know more now (than before); but not enough to eliminate reasonable doubt.
You share John Galt’s fascination with statistics without regard for differences of opinions as to the logical conclusions drawn from those numbers?

What precisely did you mean when you wrote “cost of living in Japan is approx 25% higher than the US” and what was your point?

Did you mean Japanese auto workers’ wages converted from yen to dollars would be approximately 25% more than that of USA auto worker’s?
It’s difficult to equate differences due of wage’s purchasing powers or living styles within different societies; but are you contending Japanese auto workers’ wages’ provide them with 25% greater purchasing powers or life styles than that of USA workers’ wages?

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Re: Toyota vehicles more than 90% made in USA?

Postby Winchester » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:08 am

Spider wrote:Image

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https://www.cars.com/articles/the-2016-carscom-american-made-index-1420684865874/

Yep. Though 90% might be pushing it?

Japanese and Korean companies love to build cars here, and American companies can't wait to build cars somewhere else. You have to go six notches down that list to find an American brand.

And the specific reporting on sourcing for parts content is highly regulated, as Saz pointed out. The parts content is actually on the window stickers of the individual cars on the lot by law, if you check.


The reason American car companies don't want to build here is spelled UAW.

We can manufacture in the US and build excellent products, however the union's refusal to change with the times and IMO are still living in the 1950's and 60's. That model doesn't work anymore. The frustrating thing is workers in Japanese plants make good money and are happy, so what the hell is the UAW trying to protect. They're failing and we're losing jobs overseas because of them.

http://www.automotive.com/news/uaw-and- ... sted-1478/
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