President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby The Comrade » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:04 pm

Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Southern Dad » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:08 pm

The Comrade wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.


How do I as an employer know if the operator of a machine is currently stoned or if they smoked it last week?
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Saz » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:09 pm

Kane wrote:
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The Dharma Bum wrote:if corporations want access to the world's biggest market they better play ball and pay what they owe


They will "play ball." They'll take that ball and move their headquarters outside of the United States through reverse mergers, like Burger King and other corporations have done. Then they will only be required to pay taxes on profits made in the USA and not on profits made outside of the USA. The USA cannot tax money overseas for companies not based in the USA. It can try but other countries will object pretty heavily.


Let them - the regulatory bodies for large MNCs aren't as hospitable as they are in the US. Europe would surely tax them more and China offers no real home because their respect of private ownership is...nonexistent. As it currently stands, most large MNCs in the US don't pay any taxes anyways via lobbyists and litigious loopholes. You're acting like the tax field is level and that everybody pays their fair share - I can assure you they do not. Small businesses pay more in taxes as a proportion of their gross income by a HUGE margin relative to what's actually paid out by US based MNCs.

It is HEAVILY skewed towards those with largesse and money.


Already a couple dozen corporations have already done reverse mergers. Walgreens almost did it recently. What happens when a Walmart does it?


We celebrate? Where we once saw an opportunity host countries will begin to as well. Their options are limited, they are taking advantage of something that's likely to be short lived. Again, most MNCs pay NOTHING and some have even received money BACK from the government...we aren't really losing any revenue there. The "official corporate tax rate" doesn't apply to these guys. If they want to deal with a different regulatory scheme, be my guest. Shit, just move to China. Watch the state rip off their entire model and then regulate them to death.

You've got companies relocating to the UAE for f**k sake. Anybody think it might be a bad idea to locate headquarters in a monarchy? LOL. All it'll take is pressure on the leadership and then...look at all those potential state assets.


Is your point that there aren't other good countries in the world to HQ a company? Many of these inversions for example were with Irish or British companies. That's just as good as America. Even UAE etc is perfectly fine. Very odd view you seem to have of the rest of the world.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Saz » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:10 pm

Southern Dad wrote:
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Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.


How do I as an employer know if the operator of a machine is currently stoned or if they smoked it last week?


You don't. If they f**k up you fire them, if they aren't f**k up then mind your own god damn business.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby The Comrade » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:13 pm

well they'd be acting high so that's probably indicator number 1. i mean the first indication of someone being intoxicated is them acting intoxicated.

unless you'd want daily drug tests or something insane like that.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Southern Dad » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:18 pm

Saz wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:
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Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.


How do I as an employer know if the operator of a machine is currently stoned or if they smoked it last week?


You don't. If they f**k up you fire them, if they aren't f**k up then mind your own god damn business.


And if they kill a few people in that f**k up?
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Saz » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:21 pm

Southern Dad wrote:
Saz wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:
The Comrade wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.


How do I as an employer know if the operator of a machine is currently stoned or if they smoked it last week?


You don't. If they f**k up you fire them, if they aren't f**k up then mind your own god damn business.


And if they kill a few people in that f**k up?


Well then they are obviously in some deep shit.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby John Galt » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:25 pm

Southern Dad wrote:
The Comrade wrote:
Southern Dad wrote:Actually, there are not any current standards but I'll play, how much THC can you have in your blood and legally drive or fly an airplane? How much heroin can you mainline and still install brakes on new cars?


actually there are standards that's why we have DUIs. the nature of drugs, aside from alcohol, does not require a blood quantum. if you're high, which it's pretty easy to tell when someone is, and you violate a traffic law, you will get a DUI. simple as that. not sure why you brought up working on cars since people aren't allowed to have anything to drink at a workplace. not sure why you think we'd allow heroin use then.

Southern Dad wrote: Not sending violators to prison is ignoring the law.


except kane was talking about changing the law, so it wouldn't be ignoring the law. try actually reading posts.


How do I as an employer know if the operator of a machine is currently stoned or if they smoked it last week?


because they look like they are high? i dunno, how do you know if someone is drunk? it's not like you, as an employer, have people blow at work regularly and you just use judgement as you, a human being, have gained over the years.

further, blood tests for thc will back it up if you think they are high and want to fire them and they claim they are not high; piss tests would be unreliable for that.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Professor » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:33 pm

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Professor wrote:If we can show that this is the likely scenario, then I agree. Seriously.


Nein Herr Fuhrer. In this country the burden of justification is on those seeking to take liberty, not on those seeking to maintain it.

However, I suspect that most of the time you end up with parents ignoring their children and otherwise affecting others.

Cool. Neglect your kids and social services take them away. Really neglect them and you have a criminal charge right there.

Your argument sounds like one that I have with myself fairly often about DUI. Why should DUI be illegal? After all, unless you hit someone, there is no harm, right? The problem with that is that the propensity for harming others goes up so exponentially when drunk, that it helps to deter the behavior by making DUI illegal.

I don't believe in DUI either. It should be a aggravating circumstance. Get in a car accident and someone dies? You better not be drunk because then you should face a murder 1. Wreck your car over the legal limit? Good luck collecting from insurance.

But just driving home buzzed and not harming anyone? You shouldn't lose your liberty or be branded a criminal.


I agree with almost all that.

What I meant by "can we show it", is that it will require some proof in order to change the law.
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Re: President Obama Wants to Spend More Money

Postby Professor » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:33 pm

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Professor wrote:Coke sells for something around $60/gram (according to the UN)

:)) I'm gonna hit you up if I'm ever back in New Orleans.


Oh f**k I almost forgot I'm going to Mardi gras.

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Yup - PM me when you get here (or before). I'm working right downtown (for the present, keep fingers crossed), so I can meet you for a liquid lunch.
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