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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby phosphide » Fri May 19, 2017 7:03 pm

micfranklin wrote:I gotta see the first episode at least. Hopefully it won't fall into the same trap that "Enterprise" did.

You'll have to sign-up for the CBS access or whatever though just to watch the first episode.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Spider » Fri May 19, 2017 8:12 pm

Naw. First couple of episodes will air on CBS. Two part pilot? After that....paywall.

lol CBS All Access even has commercials when you sign up to pay. You pay for the privilege of watching commercials!
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Spider » Fri May 19, 2017 8:15 pm

phosphide wrote:The only thing JJ Abrams relevant in that trailer is the lens flare. This looks more like a bad BSG/Expanse.


It's a LOT of lens flare though. Basically every interior shot. The entire aesthetic looks like its trying to be JJ Verse...though they keep repeating that this is in the Prime timlines. So I don't know wtf.

Clearly whoever is making the decisions hates, hates, HATES, the whole TNG/DS9/VOY aesthetic.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby phosphide » Fri May 19, 2017 8:25 pm

Spider wrote:The entire aesthetic looks like its trying to be JJ Verse...though they keep repeating that this is in the Prime timlines. So I don't know wtf.

Umm, the JJ enterprise looks like a gigantic macbook or iphone. The discovery does not look even close to it. In fact, looks more like something from Stargate Universe.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Spider » Fri May 19, 2017 8:43 pm

Not talking about the ship. Talking about the camera work, color grading, and lighting. The overall aesthetic. You're right though, this is much darker. Much easier to do darker on TV. The ship in that trailer, btw, is not the Discovery. It's the USS Shenzhou:

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The USS Discovery is something more like this, last we heard:
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Which is so goddamn awful and the backlash from the fans so intense, that it doesn't even appear in the trailer. Perhaps they'll come through and wow us with a surprise redesign.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby fstarcstar » Mon May 22, 2017 9:02 pm

Bring back captain picard.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Kane » Thu May 25, 2017 11:02 am

Spider wrote:
Video from : youtu.be


Well. That happened.

Can't summon any strong feelings either way. Uniforms are shit. Klingons are shit. Ship design is shit. Clearly Abrams inspired in all the worst ways.

Looks like they may have actually thrown some money at this doomed series that they intend to hide behind a pay wall after the first episode...so they can then whine when the entire planet pirates the hell out of it.


Meh. Really does look more interested in flashy visuals but I'll give it a one time shot. So much going on today that could be used in episodes but w/e.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Spider » Thu May 25, 2017 11:15 am

I'll give it a chance. People seem pissed in the same way they were pissed about Enterprise: They want a continuation of the prime timeline where Voyager left off. They want a fourth show like TNG/DS9/VOY...but they aren't going to get it it. That's 1980's format TV and it doesn't work anymore. Audiences just aren't tolerant of that kind of campiness. I grew up with that stuff, so I'm down. But the younger audiences would roll their eyes hard at something like Neelix today, or those DS9 Ferengi episodes. That sort of humor and episodic lightweight storytelling just doesn't get a pass anymore.

They needed to find a way to refresh this thing for a new generation that is accustomed to excellent TV, but retain the established fans. And 21st century TV (leaving aside the usual trashy reality shows and such) really is massively better than it was in the Trek heyday. But they seem to have popped a middle finger to the fans and have gone the route of trying to attract the JJ Verse kids instead. Which is a mistake. Trek on TV is not the same as Trek at the movies. And Les Moonves is an old fart who doesn't have a goddamn clue about any of this.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby Kane » Thu May 25, 2017 11:28 am

We'll really they could just do a GotR focus and it'd appeal better. But they won't because they really can't on cable.

Cable television is kinda dying for that reason IMO.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery

Postby John Galt » Thu May 25, 2017 3:49 pm

Spider wrote:I'll give it a chance. People seem pissed in the same way they were pissed about Enterprise: They want a continuation of the prime timeline where Voyager left off. They want a fourth show like TNG/DS9/VOY...but they aren't going to get it it. That's 1980's format TV and it doesn't work anymore. Audiences just aren't tolerant of that kind of campiness. I grew up with that stuff, so I'm down. But the younger audiences would roll their eyes hard at something like Neelix today, or those DS9 Ferengi episodes. That sort of humor and episodic lightweight storytelling just doesn't get a pass anymore.

They needed to find a way to refresh this thing for a new generation that is accustomed to excellent TV, but retain the established fans. And 21st century TV (leaving aside the usual trashy reality shows and such) really is massively better than it was in the Trek heyday. But they seem to have popped a middle finger to the fans and have gone the route of trying to attract the JJ Verse kids instead. Which is a mistake. Trek on TV is not the same as Trek at the movies. And Les Moonves is an old fart who doesn't have a goddamn clue about any of this.


they could make serial drama set in same universe. there's plenty of stories. in the aftermath of the dominion war the cardassians are broken, having suffered 800 million casualties, and ripe for conquest by someone like the breen, the klingons, or even vengeful bajorans. the federation itself has been severely impacted by the war, and could be stabbed in the back by their allies-of-necessity in the romulans, klingons or even cardassians (but unlikely, they are totally broken). the last movie (of the bremen-cycle) was about a coup on romulus, so there is story to be told. i really don't know why they don't, those series were very successful, each having 7 seasons

serial drama makes a lot of sense in this world of streaming TV shows. and star trek absolutely can fit in there. there doesn't need to be 24 episodes a year, make 12 instead, and craft arcs that can last a couple seasons and weave them together

i think a big problem with the bremen universe is instantaneous resources and transport. a technological plague destroying these types of technology would make for a much more interesting story. basically make BSG II.
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