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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby Saz » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:51 pm

eynon81 wrote:
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eynon81 wrote:China has a lot of reform hurdles they need to over-come before becoming the main economic engine on the planet, even if their domestic GDP is the highest in many ways they're still an economic hermit kingdom.


Nah man, that's just wrong. China is already the main economic engine on the planet, and you can just look at how they affect commodity prices across the globe. A massive portion of global growth comes from China. Obviously their military capacity has ages to go to catch up, but from an economic perspective they are absolutely central in the global economy.


cept they can't buy those commodities with their own money.


Irrelevant from a geopolitical perspective. If they buy Congolese tin in dollars, yuan, euros or yen, the fact they are completely driving the surge in commodity prices and are by far the largest global market for most commodities gives them a huge amount of leverage across the globe. Did you just miss the fact that literally every western country, and even historical enemies of China including Japan and Korea, are giving america the finger to join the new Chinese infrastructure bank? That would have been utterly impossible just a decade ago. Economic size underpins and drives geopolitics, and even though it may be a very leading indicator, history is quite clear that in the long run, the strongest and most infuelntial is the one with the largest economy.
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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby The Dharma Bum » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:50 am

eynon81 wrote:
Saz wrote:
eynon81 wrote:China has a lot of reform hurdles they need to over-come before becoming the main economic engine on the planet, even if their domestic GDP is the highest in many ways they're still an economic hermit kingdom.


Nah man, that's just wrong. China is already the main economic engine on the planet, and you can just look at how they affect commodity prices across the globe. A massive portion of global growth comes from China. Obviously their military capacity has ages to go to catch up, but from an economic perspective they are absolutely central in the global economy.



cept they can't buy those commodities with their own money.


Exorbitant privilege is a thing of the past, this is precisely why the BRICs want SDR.
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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby spacemonkey » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:20 am

Even a world market is finite.
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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby eynon81 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:24 am

The Dharma Bum wrote:
eynon81 wrote:
Saz wrote:
eynon81 wrote:China has a lot of reform hurdles they need to over-come before becoming the main economic engine on the planet, even if their domestic GDP is the highest in many ways they're still an economic hermit kingdom.


Nah man, that's just wrong. China is already the main economic engine on the planet, and you can just look at how they affect commodity prices across the globe. A massive portion of global growth comes from China. Obviously their military capacity has ages to go to catch up, but from an economic perspective they are absolutely central in the global economy.



cept they can't buy those commodities with their own money.


Exorbitant privilege is a thing of the past, this is precisely why the BRICs want SDR.



not yet it isn't. the Chinese don't want to open their currency up...until they do, the dollar rules.
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Re: US v. China v. Russia

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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby carlsen » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:00 pm

MarkG wrote:You can see American geopolitical interests are concentrated in Europe and the Middle East. Thanks to it we are able to control Eastern Europe (to some extent) and Gulf countries.

China is getting a foothold in Africa, which is extremely rich in natural resources. Russia is regaining its power in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

Don't you think we are forgetting about threats in other parts of the world? Or maybe we are no longer able to keep the world the way we want it to be?

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Russia is regaining power in eastern Europe is a good thing. China Is powerful because it have more then 1billion people

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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby carlsen » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:02 pm

eynon81 wrote:
The Dharma Bum wrote:
eynon81 wrote:
Saz wrote:
eynon81 wrote:China has a lot of reform hurdles they need to over-come before becoming the main economic engine on the planet, even if their domestic GDP is the highest in many ways they're still an economic hermit kingdom.


Nah man, that's just wrong. China is already the main economic engine on the planet, and you can just look at how they affect commodity prices across the globe. A massive portion of global growth comes from China. Obviously their military capacity has ages to go to catch up, but from an economic perspective they are absolutely central in the global economy.



cept they can't buy those commodities with their own money.


Exorbitant privilege is a thing of the past, this is precisely why the BRICs want SDR.



not yet it isn't. the Chinese don't want to open their currency up...until they do, the dollar rules.



China have much of USA debt so this can affect USA dollar

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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby eynon81 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:18 pm

carlsen wrote:China have much of USA debt so this can affect USA dollar

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not really:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/15/news/ec ... -treasury/

they hold about 8% in bills, notes, and bonds...not a great %. Plus the US has a lot off space to make up any hole China creates (private sector, increase taxes, etc). The Chinese debt bomb is largely a meme.
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Re: US v. China v. Russia

Postby Medius » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:36 pm

I will say that we need to quit our war on drugs so that we can build a strong friendship with the other countries on our continent (or two, depending on your education).

I find it entirely idiotic that countries so close to the states have become so alienated as to have seemingly more in common with European countries than the United States. I believe this is primarily due to the somewhat harsh travel restrictions in place against those countries for fear of them either bringing in more drugs or staying here illegally to escape the crushing poverty at home (often a result of corruption created by a booming industry of black market drugs).

I'm of course talking about our southern neighbors. Canada is just a bunch of subs who love being owned by their queen dom.

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